Preamble
- We use standard cost-benefit analysis (CBA) to argue that governments should do more to reduce global catastrophic risk.
- We argue that getting governments to adopt a CBA-driven catastrophe policy should be the goal of longtermists in the political sphere.
- We suggest that longtermism can play a supplementary role in government catastrophe policy. If and when present people are willing to pay for interventions aimed primarily at improving humanity's long-term prospects, governments should fund these interventions.
- We argue that longtermists should commit to acting in accordance with a CBA-driven catastrophe policy in the political sphere. This commitment would help bring about an outcome much better than the status quo, for both the present generation and the long-term future.
This article is set to appear as a chapter in Essays on Longtermism, edited by Jacob Barrett, Hilary Greaves, and David Thorstad, and published by Oxford University Press.
Abstract
Longtermists have argued that humanity should significantly increase its efforts to prevent catastrophes like nuclear wars, pandemics, and AI disasters. But one prominent longtermist argument overshoots this conclusion: the argument also implies that humanity should reduce the risk of existential catastrophe even at extreme cost to the present generation. This overshoot means that democratic governments cannot use the longtermist argument to guide their catastrophe policy. In this paper, we show that the case for preventing catastrophe does not depend on longtermism. Standard cost-benefit analysis implies that governments should spend much more on reducing catastrophic risk. We argue that a government catastrophe policy guided by cost-benefit analysis should be the goal of longtermists in the political sphere. This policy would be democratically acceptable, and it would reduce existential risk by almost as much as a strong longtermist policy.
1. Introduction
It would be very bad if humanity suffered a nuclear war, a deadly pandemic, or an AI disaster. This is for two main reasons. The first is that these catastrophes could kill billions of people. The second is that they could cause human extinction or the permanent collapse of civilization.
Longtermists have argued that humanity should increase its efforts to avert nuclear wars, pandemics, and AI disasters (Beckstead 2013; Bostrom 2013; Greaves and MacAskill 2021; MacAskill 2022; Ord 2020). One prominent longtermist argument for this conclusion appeals to the second reason: these catastrophes could lead to human extinction or the permanent collapse of civilization, and hence prevent an enormous number of potential people from living happy lives in a good future (Beckstead 2013; Bostrom 2013; Greaves and MacAskill 2021; MacAskill 2022: 8–9; Ord 2020: 43–49). These events would then qualify as existential catastrophes: catastrophes that destroy humanity’s long-term potential (Ord 2020: 37).
Although this longtermist argument has been compelling to many, it has at least two limitations: limitations that are especially serious if the intended conclusion is that democratic governments should increase their efforts to prevent catastrophes. First, the argument relies on a premise that many people reject: that it would be an overwhelming moral loss if future generations never exist. Second, the argument overshoots. Given other plausible claims, building policy on this premise would not only lead governments to increase their efforts to prevent catastrophes. It would also lead them to impose extreme costs on the present generation for the sake of miniscule reductions in the risk of existential catastrophe. Since most people’s concern for the existence of future generations is limited, this policy would be democratically unacceptable, and so governments cannot use the longtermist argument to guide their catastrophe policy.
In this chapter, we offer a standard cost-benefit analysis argument for reducing the risk of catastrophe. We show that, given plausible estimates of catastrophic risk and the costs of reducing it, many interventions available to governments pass a cost-benefit analysis test. Therefore, the case for averting catastrophe does not depend on longtermism. In fact, we argue, governments should do much more to reduce catastrophic risk even if future generations do not matter at all. The first reason that a catastrophe would be bad – billions of people might die – by itself warrants much more action than the status quo. This argument from present people’s interests avoids both limitations of the longtermist argument: it assumes only that the present generation matters, and it does not overshoot. Nevertheless, like the longtermist argument, it implies that governments should do much more to reduce catastrophic risk.
We then argue that getting governments to adopt a catastrophe policy based on cost-benefit analysis should be the goal of longtermists in the political sphere. This goal is achievable, because cost-benefit analysis is already a standard tool for government decision-making and because moving to a CBA-driven catastrophe policy would benefit the present generation. Adopting a CBA-driven policy would also reduce the risk of existential catastrophe by almost as much as adopting a strong longtermist policy founded on the premise that it would be an overwhelming moral loss if future generations never exist.
We then propose that the longtermist worldview can play a supplementary role in government catastrophe policy. Longtermists can make the case for their view, and thereby increase present people’s willingness to pay for pure longtermist goods: goods that do not much benefit the present generation but improve humanity’s long-term prospects. These pure longtermist goods include especially refuges designed to help civilization recover from future catastrophes. When present people are willing to pay for such things, governments should fund them. This spending would have modest costs for those alive today and great expected benefits for the long-run future.
We end by arguing that longtermists should commit to acting in accordance with a CBA-driven catastrophe policy in the political sphere. This commitment would help bring about an outcome that is much better than the status quo, for the present generation and long-term future alike.
2. The risk of catastrophe
As noted above, we are going to use standard cost-benefit analysis to argue for increased government spending on preventing catastrophes. We focus on the U.S. government, but our points apply to other countries as well (with modifications that will become clear below). We also focus on the risk of global catastrophes, which we define as events that kill at least 5 billion people. Many events could constitute a global catastrophe in the coming years, but we concentrate on three in particular: nuclear wars, pandemics, and AI disasters. Reducing the risk of these catastrophes is particularly cost-effective.
The first thing to establish is that the risk is significant. That presents a difficulty. There has never yet been a global catastrophe by our definition, so we cannot base our estimates of the risk on long-run frequencies. But this difficulty is surmountable because we can use other considerations to guide our estimates. These include near-misses (like the Cuban Missile Crisis), statistical models (like power-law extrapolations), and empirical trends (like advances in AI). We do not have the space to assess all the relevant considerations in detail, so we mainly rely on previously published estimates of the risks. These estimates should be our point of departure, pending further investigation. Note also that these estimates need not be perfectly accurate for our conclusions to go through. It often suffices that the risks exceed some low value.
Let us begin with the risk of nuclear war. Toby Ord estimates that the existential risk from nuclear war over the next 100 years is about 1-in-1,000 (2020: 167). Note, however, that ‘existential risk’ refers to the risk of an existential catastrophe: a catastrophe that destroys humanity’s long-term potential. This is a high bar. It means that any catastrophe from which humanity ever recovers (even if that recovery takes many millennia) does not count as an existential catastrophe. Nuclear wars can be enormously destructive without being likely to pose an existential catastrophe, so Ord’s estimate of the risk of “full-scale” nuclear war is much higher, at about 5% over the next 100 years (Wiblin and Ord 2020). This figure is roughly aligned with our own views (around 3%) and with other published estimates of nuclear risk. At the time of writing, the forecasting community Metaculus puts the risk of thermonuclear war before 2070 at 11% (Metaculus 2022c). Luisa Rodriguez’s (2019b) aggregation of expert and superforecaster estimates has the risk of nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia at 0.38% per year, while Martin E. Hellman (2008: 21) estimates that the annual risk of nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia stemming from a Cuban-Missile-Crisis-type scenario is 0.02-0.5%.
We recognise that each of these estimates involve difficult judgement-calls. Nevertheless, we think it would be reckless to suppose that the true risk of nuclear war this century is less than 1%. Here are assorted reasons for caution. Nuclear weapons have been a threat for just a single human lifetime, and in those years we have already racked up an eye-opening number of close calls. The Cuban Missile Crisis is the most famous example, but we also have declassified accounts of many accidents and false alarms (see, for example, Ord 2020, Appendix C). And although nuclear conflict would likely be devastating for all sides involved, leaders often have selfish incentives for brinkmanship, and may behave irrationally under pressure. Looking ahead, future technological developments may upset the delicate balance of deterrence. And we cannot presume that a nuclear war would harm only its direct targets. Research has suggested that the smoke from smouldering cities would take years to dissipate, during which time global temperatures and rainfall would drop low enough to kill most crops. That leads Rodriguez (2019a) to estimate that a U.S.-Russia nuclear exchange would cause a famine that kills 5.5 billion people in expectation. One of us (Shulman) estimates a lower risk of this kind of nuclear winter, a lower average number of warheads deployed in a U.S.-Russia nuclear exchange, and a higher likelihood that emergency measures succeed in reducing mass starvation, but we still put expected casualties in the billions.
Pandemics caused by pathogens that have been engineered in a laboratory are another major concern. Ord (2020: 167) estimates that the existential risk over the next century from these engineered pandemics is around 3%. And as with nuclear war, engineered pandemics could be extremely destructive without constituting an existential catastrophe, so Ord’s estimate of the risk of global catastrophe arising from engineered pandemics would be adjusted upward from this 3% figure. At the time of writing, Metaculus suggests that there is a 9.6% probability that an engineered pathogen causes the human population to drop by at least 10% in a period of 5 years or less by 2100. In a 2008 survey of participants at a conference on global catastrophes, the median respondent estimated a 10% chance that an engineered pandemic kills at least 1 billion people and a 2% chance that an engineered pandemic causes human extinction before 2100 (Sandberg and Bostrom 2008).
These estimates are based on a multitude of factors, of which we note a small selection. Diseases can be very contagious and very deadly. There is no strong reason to suppose that engineered diseases could not be both. Scientists continue to conduct research in which pathogens are modified to enhance their transmissibility, lethality, and resistance to treatment (Millett and Snyder-Beattie 2017: 374; Ord 2020: 128–29). We also have numerous reports of lab leaks: cases in which pathogens have been accidentally released from biological research facilities and allowed to infect human populations (Ord 2020: 130–31). Many countries ran bioweapons programs during the twentieth century, and bioweapons were used in both World Wars (Millett and Snyder-Beattie 2017: 374). Terrorist groups like the Aum Shinrikyo cult have tried to use biological agents to cause mass casualties (Millett and Snyder-Beattie 2017: 374). Their efforts were hampered by a lack of technology and expertise, but humanity’s collective capacity for bioterror has grown considerably since then. A significant number of people now have the ability to cause a biological catastrophe, and this number looks set to rise further in the coming years (Ord 2020: 133–34).
Ord (2020: 167) puts the existential risk from artificial general intelligence (AGI) at 10% over the next century. This figure is the product of a 50% chance of human-level AGI by 2120 and a 20% risk of existential catastrophe, conditional on AGI by 2120 (Ord 2020: 168–69). Meanwhile, Joseph Carlsmith (2021: 49) estimates a 65% probability that by 2070 it will be possible and financially feasible to build AI systems capable of planning, strategising, and outperforming humans in important domains. He puts the (unconditional) existential risk from these AI systems at greater than 10% before 2070 (2021: 47). The aggregate forecast in a recent survey of machine learning researchers is a 50% chance of high-level machine intelligence by 2059 (Stein-Perlman, Weinstein-Raun, and Grace 2022). The median respondent in that survey estimated a 5% probability that AI causes human extinction or humanity’s permanent and severe disempowerment (Stein-Perlman et al. 2022). Our own estimates are closer to Carlsmith and the survey respondents on timelines and closer to Ord on existential risk.
These estimates are the most speculative: nuclear weapons and engineered pathogens already exist in the world, while human-level AGI is yet to come. We cannot make a full case for the risk of AI catastrophe in this chapter, but here is a sketch. AI capabilities are growing quickly, powered partly by rapid algorithmic improvements and especially by increasing computing budgets. Before 2010, compute spent on training AI models grew in line with Moore’s law, but in the recent deep learning boom it has increased much faster, with an average doubling time of 6 months over that period (Sevilla et al. 2022). Bigger models and longer training runs have led to remarkable progress in domains like computer vision, language, protein modelling, and games. The next 20 years are likely to see the first AI systems close to the computational scale of the human brain, as hardware improves and spending on training runs continues to increase from millions of dollars today to many billions of dollars (Cotra 2020: 1–9, 2022). Extrapolating past trends suggests that these AI systems may also have capabilities matching the human brain across a wide range of domains.
AI developers train their systems using a reward function (or loss function) which assigns values to the system's outputs, along with an algorithm that modifies the system to perform better according to the reward function. But encoding human intentions in a reward function has proved extremely difficult, as is made clear by the many recorded instances of AI systems achieving high reward by behaving in ways unintended by their designers (DeepMind 2020; Krakovna 2018). These include systems pausing Tetris forever to avoid losing (Murphy 2013), using camera-trickery to deceive human evaluators into believing that a robot hand is completing a task (DeepMind 2020; OpenAI 2017), and behaving differently under observation to avoid penalties for reproduction (Lehman et al. 2020: 282; Muehlhauser 2021). We also have documented cases of AIs adopting goals that produce high reward in training but differ in important ways from the goals intended by their designers (Langosco et al. 2022; Shah et al. 2022). One example comes in the form of a model trained to win a video game by reaching a coin at the right of the stage. The model retained its ability to navigate the environment when the coin was moved, but it became clear that the model’s real goal was to go as far to the right as possible, rather than to reach the coin (Langosco et al. 2022: 4). So far, these issues of reward hacking and goal misgeneralization have been of little consequence, because we have been able to shut down misbehaving systems or alter their reward functions. But that looks set to change as AI systems come to understand and act in the wider world: a powerful AGI could learn that allowing itself to be turned off or modified is a poor way of achieving its goal. And given any of a wide variety of goals, this kind of AGI would have reason to perform well in training and conceal its real goal until AGI systems are collectively powerful enough to seize control of their reward processes (or otherwise pursue their goals) and defeat any human response.
That is one way in which misaligned AGI could be disastrous for humanity. Guarding against this outcome likely requires much more work on robustly aligning AI with human intentions, along with the cautious deployment of advanced AI to enable proper safety engineering and testing. Unfortunately, economic and geopolitical incentives may lead to much less care than is required. Competing companies and nations may cut corners and expose humanity to serious risks in a race to build AGI (Armstrong, Bostrom, and Shulman 2016). The risk is exacerbated by the winner’s curse dynamic at play: all else equal, it is the actors who most underestimate the dangers of deployment that are most likely to do so (Bostrom, Douglas, and Sandberg 2016).
Assuming independence and combining Ord’s risk-estimates of 10% for AI, 3% for engineered pandemics, and 5% for nuclear war gives us at least a 17% risk of global catastrophe from these sources over the next 100 years. If we assume that the risk per decade is constant, the risk over the next decade is about 1.85%. If we assume also that every person’s risk of dying in this kind of catastrophe is equal, then (conditional on not dying in other ways) each U.S. citizen’s risk of dying in this kind of catastrophe in the next decade is at least 5/9×1.85%≈1.03% (since, by our definition, a global catastrophe would kill at least 5 billion people, and the world population is projected to remain under 9 billion until 2033). According to projections of the U.S. population pyramid, 6.88% of U.S. citizens alive today will die in other ways over the course of the next decade. That suggests that U.S. citizens alive today have on average about a 1% risk of being killed in a nuclear war, engineered pandemic, or AI disaster in the next decade. That is about ten times their risk of being killed in a car accident.
3. Interventions to reduce the risk
There is good reason to think that the risk of global catastrophe in the coming years is significant. Based on Ord’s estimates, we suggest that U.S. citizens’ risk of dying in a nuclear war, pandemic, or AI disaster in the next decade is on average about 1%. We now survey some ways of reducing this risk.
The Biden administration’s 2023 Budget lists many ways of reducing the risk of biological catastrophes (The White House 2022c; U.S. Office of Management and Budget 2022). These include developing advanced personal protective equipment, along with prototype vaccines for the viral families most likely to cause pandemics. The U.S. government can also enhance laboratory biosafety and biosecurity, by improving training procedures, risk assessments, and equipment (Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense 2021: 24). Another priority is improving our capacities for microbial forensics (including our abilities to detect engineered pathogens), so that we can better identify and deter potential bad actors (Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense 2021: 24–25). Relatedly, the U.S. government can strengthen the Biological Weapons Convention by increasing the budget and staff of the body responsible for its implementation, and by working to grant them the power to investigate suspected breaches (Ord 2020: 279–80). The Nuclear Threat Initiative recommends establishing a global entity focused on preventing catastrophes from biotechnology, amongst other things (Nuclear Threat Initiative 2020a: 3). Another key priority is developing pathogen-agnostic detection technologies. One such candidate technology is a Nucleic Acid Observatory, which would monitor waterways and wastewater for changing frequencies of biological agents, allowing for the early detection of potential biothreats (The Nucleic Acid Observatory Consortium 2021).
The U.S. government can also reduce the risk of nuclear war this decade. Ord (2020: 278) recommends restarting the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, taking U.S. intercontinental ballistic missiles off of hair-trigger alert (“Launch on Warning”), and increasing the capacity of the International Atomic Energy Agency to verify that nations are complying with safeguards agreements. Other recommendations come from the Centre for Long-Term Resilience’s Future Proof report (2021). They are directed towards the U.K. government but apply to the U.S. as well. The recommendations include committing not to incorporate AI systems into nuclear command, control, and communications (NC3) and lobbying to establish this norm internationally. Another is committing to avoid cyber operations that target the NC3 of Non-Proliferation Treaty signatories and establishing a multilateral agreement to this effect. The Nuclear Threat Initiative (2020b) offers many recommendations to the Biden administration for reducing nuclear risk, some of which have already been taken up. Others include working to bring the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty into force, re-establishing the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action’s limits on Iran’s nuclear activity, and increasing U.S. diplomatic efforts with Russia and China (Nuclear Threat Initiative 2020b).
To reduce the risks from AI, the U.S. government can fund research in AI safety. This should include alignment research focused on reducing the risk of catastrophic AI takeover by ensuring that even very powerful AI systems do what we intend, as well as interpretability research to help us understand neural networks’ behaviour and better supervise their training (Amodei et al. 2016; Hendrycks et al. 2022). The U.S. government can also fund research and work in AI governance, focused on devising norms, policies, and institutions to ensure that the development of AI is beneficial for humanity (Dafoe 2018).
4. Cost-benefit analysis of catastrophe-preventing interventions
We project that funding this suite of interventions for the next decade would cost less than $400 billion. We also expect this suite of interventions to reduce the risk of global catastrophe over the next decade by at least 0.1pp (percentage points). A full defence of this claim would require more detail than we can fit in this chapter, but here is one way to illustrate the claim’s plausibility. Imagine an enormous set of worlds like our world in 2023. Each world in this set is different with respect to the features of our world about which we are uncertain, and worlds with a certain feature occur in the set in proportion to our best evidence about the presence of that feature in our world. If, for example, the best appraisal of our available evidence suggests that there is a 55% probability that the next U.S. President will be a Democrat, then 55% of the worlds in our set have a Democrat as the next President. We claim that in at least 1-in-1,000 of these worlds the interventions we recommend above would prevent a global catastrophe this decade. That is a low bar, and it seems plausible to us that the interventions above meet it. Our question now is: given this profile of costs and benefits, do these interventions pass a standard cost-benefit analysis test?
To assess interventions expected to save lives, cost-benefit analysis begins by valuing mortality risk reductions: putting a monetary value on reducing citizens’ risk of death (Kniesner and Viscusi 2019). To do that, we first determine how much a representative sample of citizens are willing to pay to reduce their risk of dying this year by a given increment (often around 0.01pp, or 1-in-10,000). One method is to ask them, giving us their stated preferences. Another method is to observe people’s behaviour, particularly their choices about what to buy and what jobs to take, giving us their revealed preferences.
U.S. government agencies use methods like these to estimate how much U.S. citizens are willing to pay to reduce their risk of death. This figure is then used to calculate the value of a statistical life (VSL): the value of saving one life in expectation via small reductions in mortality risks for many people. The primary VSL figure used by the U.S. Department of Transportation for 2021 is $11.8 million, with a range to account for various kinds of uncertainty spanning from about $7 million to $16.5 million (U.S. Department of Transportation 2021a, 2021b). These figures are used in the cost-benefit analyses of policies expected to save lives. Costs and benefits occurring in the future are discounted at a constant annual rate. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) uses annual discount rates of 2% and 3%; the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) instructs agencies to conduct analyses using annual discount rates of 3% and 7% (Graham 2008: 504). The rationale is opportunity costs and people’s rate of pure time preference (Graham 2008: 504).
Now for the application to the risk of global catastrophe (otherwise known as global catastrophic risk, or GCR). We defined a global catastrophe above as an event that kills at least 5 billion people, and we assumed that each person’s risk of dying in a global catastrophe is equal. So, given a world population of less than 9 billion and conditional on a global catastrophe occurring, each American’s risk of dying in that catastrophe is at least 5/9. Reducing GCR this decade by 0.1pp then reduces each American’s risk of death this decade by at least 0.055pp. Multiplying that figure by the U.S. population of 330 million, we get the result that reducing GCR this decade by 0.1pp saves at least 181,500 American lives in expectation. If that GCR-reduction were to occur this year, it would be worth at least $1.27 trillion on the Department of Transportation’s lowest VSL figure of $7 million. But since the GCR-reduction would occur over the course of a decade, cost-benefit analysis requires that we discount. If we use OIRA’s highest annual discount rate of 7% and suppose (conservatively) that all the costs of our interventions are paid up front while the GCR-reduction comes only at the end of the decade, we get the result that reducing GCR this decade by 0.1pp is worth at least $1.27 trillion / 1.0710= $646 billion. So, at a cost of $400 billion, these interventions comfortably pass a standard cost-benefit analysis test. That in turn suggests that the U.S. government should fund these interventions. Doing so would save American lives more cost-effectively than many other forms of government spending on life-saving, such as transportation and environmental regulations.
In fact, we can make a stronger argument. Using a projected U.S. population pyramid and some life-expectancy statistics, we can calculate that approximately 79% of the American life-years saved by preventing a global catastrophe in 2033 would accrue to Americans alive today in 2023 (Thornley 2022). 79% of $646 billion is approximately $510 billion. That means that funding this suite of GCR-reducing interventions is well worth it, even considering only the benefits to Americans alive today.
[EDITED TO ADD: And recall that the above figures assume a conservative 0.1pp reduction in GCR as a result of implementing the whole suite of interventions. We think that a 0.5pp reduction in GCR is a more reasonable estimate, in which case the benefit-cost ratio of the suite is over 5. Making our other assumptions more reasonable results in even more favourable benefit-cost ratios. Using the Department of Transportation’s primary VSL figure of $11.8 million and an annual discount rate of 3%, the benefit-cost ratio of the suite comes out at over 20. The most cost-effective interventions within the suite will have benefit-cost ratios that are more favourable still.]
It is also worth noting some important ways in which our calculations up to this point underrate the value of GCR-reducing interventions. First, we have appealed only to these interventions’ GCR-reducing benefits: the benefits of shifting probability mass away from outcomes in which at least 5 billion people die and towards outcomes in which very few people die. But these interventions would also decrease the risk of smaller catastrophes, in which less than 5 billion people die. Second, the value of preventing deaths from catastrophe is plausibly higher than the value of preventing traffic deaths. The EPA (2010: 20–26) and U.K. Treasury (2003: 62) have each recommended that a higher VSL be used for cancer risks than for accidental risks, to reflect the fact that dying from cancer tends to be more unpleasant than dying in an accident (Kniesner and Viscusi 2019: 16). We suggest that the same point applies to death by nuclear winter and engineered pandemic.
Here is another benefit of our listed GCR-reducing interventions. They do not just reduce U.S. citizens’ risk of death. They also reduce the risk of death for citizens of other nations. That is additional reason to fund these interventions. It also suggests that the U.S. government could persuade other nations to share the costs of GCR-reducing interventions, in which case funding these interventions becomes an even more cost-effective way of saving U.S. lives. Cooperation between nations can also make it worthwhile for the U.S. and the world as a whole to spend more on reducing GCR. Suppose, for example, that there is some intervention that would cost $1 trillion and would reduce GCR by 0.1pp over the next decade. That is too expensive for the U.S. alone (at least based on our conservative calculations), but it would be worth funding for a coalition of nations that agreed to split the cost.
5. Longtermists should advocate for a CBA-driven catastrophe policy
The U.S. is seriously underspending on preventing catastrophes. This conclusion follows from standard cost-benefit analysis. We need not be longtermists to believe that the U.S. government should do much more to reduce the risk of nuclear wars, pandemics, and AI disasters. In fact, even entirely self-interested Americans have reason to hope that the U.S. government increases its efforts to avert catastrophes. The interventions that we recommend above are well worth it, even considering only the benefits to Americans alive today. Counting the benefits to citizens of other nations and the next generation makes these interventions even more attractive. So, Americans should hope that the U.S. government adopts something like a CBA-driven catastrophe policy: a policy of funding all those GCR-reducing interventions that pass a cost-benefit analysis test.
One might think that longtermists should be more ambitious: that rather than push for a CBA-driven catastrophe policy, longtermists should urge governments to adopt a strong longtermist policy. By a ‘strong longtermist policy’, we mean a policy founded on the premise that it would be an overwhelming moral loss if future generations never exist. However, we argue that this is not the case: longtermists should advocate for a CBA-driven catastrophe policy rather than a strong longtermist policy. That is because (1) unlike a strong longtermist policy, a CBA-driven policy would be democratically acceptable and feasible to implement, and (2) a CBA-driven policy would reduce existential risk by almost as much as a strong longtermist policy.
Let us begin with democratic acceptability. As noted above, a strong longtermist policy would in principle place extreme burdens on the present generation for the sake of even miniscule reductions in existential risk. Here is a rough sketch of why. If the non-existence of future generations would be a overwhelming moral loss, then an existential catastrophe (like human extinction or the permanent collapse of civilization) would be extremely bad. That in turn makes it worth reducing the risk of existential catastrophe even if doing so is exceedingly costly for the present generation.
We now argue that a strong longtermist policy would place serious burdens on the present generation not only in principle but also in practice. There are suites of existential-risk-reducing interventions that governments could implement only at extreme cost to those alive today. For example, governments could slow down the development of existential-risk-increasing technologies (even those that pose only very small risks) by paying researchers large salaries to do other things. Governments could also build extensive, self-sustaining colonies (in remote locations or perhaps far underground) in which residents are permanently cut off from the rest of the world and trained to rebuild civilization in the event of a catastrophe. The U.S. government could set up a global Nucleic Acid Observatory, paying other countries large fees (if need be) to allow the U.S. to monitor their water supplies for emerging pathogens. More generally, governments could heavily subsidise investment, research, and development in ways that incentivise the present generation to increase civilization’s resilience and decrease existential risk. A strong longtermist policy would seek to implement these and other interventions quickly, a factor which adds to their expense. These expenses would in turn require increasing taxes on present citizens (particularly consumption taxes), as well as cutting forms of government spending that have little effect on existential risk (like Social Security, many kinds of medical care, and funding for parks, art, culture, and sport). These budget changes would be burdensome for those alive today. Very cautious regulation of technological development would impose burdens too. It might mean that present citizens miss out on technologies that would improve and extend their lives, like consumer goods and cures for diseases.
So, a strong longtermist policy would be democratically unacceptable, by which we mean it could not be adopted and maintained by a democratic government. If a government tried to adopt a strong longtermist policy, it would lose the support of most of its citizens. There are clear moral objections against pursuing democratically unacceptable policies, but even setting those aside, getting governments to adopt a strong longtermist policy is not feasible. Efforts in that direction are very unlikely to succeed.
A CBA-driven catastrophe policy, by contrast, would be democratically acceptable. This kind of policy would not place heavy burdens on the present generation. Since cost-benefit analysis is based in large part on citizens’ willingness to pay, policies guided by cost-benefit analysis tend not to ask citizens to pay much more than is in their own interests. And given our current lack of spending on preventing catastrophes, moving from the status quo to a CBA-driven policy is almost certainly good for U.S. citizens alive today. That is one reason to think that getting the U.S. government to adopt a CBA-driven policy is particularly feasible. Another is that cost-benefit analysis is already a standard tool for U.S. regulatory decision-making. Advocating for a CBA-driven policy does not mean asking governments to adopt a radically new decision-procedure. It just means asking them to extend a standard decision-procedure into a domain where it has so far been underused.
Of course, getting governments to adopt a CBA-driven catastrophe policy is not trivial. One barrier is psychological (Wiener 2016). Many of us find it hard to appreciate the likelihood and magnitude of a global catastrophe. Another is that GCR-reduction is a collective action problem for individuals. Although a safer world is in many people’s self-interest, working for a safer world is in few people’s self-interest. Doing so means bearing a large portion of the costs and gaining just a small portion of the benefits. Politicians and regulators likewise lack incentives to advocate for GCR-reducing interventions (as they did with climate interventions in earlier decades). Given widespread ignorance of the risks, calls for such interventions are unlikely to win much public favour.
However, these barriers can be overcome. Those willing to bear costs for the sake of others can use their time and money to make salient the prospect of global catastrophe, thereby fostering public support for GCR-reducing interventions and placing them on the policy agenda. Longtermists – who care about the present generation as well as future generations – are well-suited to play this role in pushing governments to adopt a CBA-driven catastrophe policy. If they take up these efforts, they have a good chance of succeeding.
Now for the second point: getting the U.S. government to adopt a CBA-driven catastrophe policy would reduce existential risk by almost as much as getting them to adopt a strong longtermist policy. This is for two reasons. The first is that, at the current margin, the primary goals of a CBA-driven policy and a strong longtermist policy are substantially aligned. The second is that increased spending on preventing catastrophes yields steeply diminishing returns in terms of existential-risk-reduction.
Let us begin with substantial alignment. The primary goal of a CBA-driven catastrophe policy is saving lives in the near-term. The primary goal of a strong longtermist policy is reducing existential risk. In the world as it is today, these goals are aligned: many of the best interventions for reducing existential risk are also cost-effective interventions for saving lives in the near-term. Take AI, for example. Per Ord (2020: 167) and many other longtermists, the risk from AI makes up a large portion of the total existential risk this century, and this risk could be reduced significantly by work on AI safety and governance. That places this work high on many longtermists’ list of priorities. We have argued above that a CBA-driven policy would also fund this work, since it is a cost-effective way of saving lives in the near-term. The same goes for pandemics. Interventions to thwart potential pandemics rank highly on the longtermist list of priorities, and these interventions would also be implemented by a CBA-driven policy.
We illustrate the alignment between a CBA-driven policy and a strong longtermist policy using the graph below. The x-axis represents U.S. lives saved (discounted by how far in the future the life is saved) in expectation per dollar. The y-axis represents existential-risk-reduction per dollar. Interventions to the right of the blue line would be funded by a CBA-driven catastrophe policy. The exact position of each intervention is provisional and unimportant, and the graph is not to scale in any case. The important point is that a CBA-driven policy would fund many of the best interventions for reducing existential risk.

That is the key alignment between a CBA-driven policy and a strong longtermist policy. Now for three potentially significant differences. The first is that a strong longtermist policy would fund what we call pure longtermist goods: goods that do not much benefit present people but improve humanity’s long-term prospects. These pure longtermist goods include refuges to help humanity recover from catastrophes. The second difference is that a strong longtermist policy would spend much more on preventing catastrophes than a CBA-driven policy. In addition to the interventions warranted by a CBA-driven catastrophe policy, a strong longtermist policy would also fund catastrophe-preventing interventions that are too expensive to pass a cost-benefit analysis test. The third difference concerns nuclear risks. The risk of a full-scale nuclear war is significantly higher than the risk of a nuclear war constituting an existential catastrophe (5% versus 0.1% this century, per Ord). In part for this reason, interventions to reduce nuclear risk are cost-effective for saving lives in the near-term but not so cost-effective for reducing existential risk. That makes these interventions a relatively lower priority by the lights of a strong longtermist policy than they are by the lights of a CBA-driven policy. Holding fixed the catastrophe-budget warranted by cost-benefit analysis, a strong longtermist policy would likely shift some funding away from nuclear interventions and towards AI and pandemic interventions that fail a cost-benefit analysis test.
Set aside pure longtermist goods for now. We discuss them in the next section. Consider instead the fact that a strong longtermist policy would spend considerably more on preventing catastrophes (especially AI and biological catastrophes) than a CBA-driven policy. We argue that this extra spending would not make such a significant difference to existential risk, because increased spending on preventing catastrophes yields steeply diminishing returns in terms of existential-risk-reduction. That in turn is for two primary reasons. The first is that the most promising existential-risk-reducing interventions – for example, AI safety and governance, a Nucleic Acid Observatory, enhanced biosecurity and biosafety practices – pass a cost-benefit analysis test. Those catastrophe-preventing interventions that fail a cost-benefit analysis test are not nearly as effective in reducing existential risk.
Here is a second reason to expect increased spending to yield steeply diminishing returns in terms of existential-risk-reduction: many interventions undermine each other. What we mean here is that many interventions render other interventions less effective, so that the total existential-risk-reduction gained by funding some sets of interventions is less than the sum of the existential-risk-reduction gained by funding each intervention individually. Consider an example. Setting aside a minor complication, we can decompose existential risk from engineered pathogens into two factors: the risk that an engineered pathogen infects more than 1,000 people, and the risk of an existential catastrophe given that an engineered pathogen infects more than 1,000 people. Suppose (for the sake of illustration only) that each risk is 10% this decade, that incentivising the world’s biomedical researchers to do safer research would halve the first risk, and that establishing a Nucleic Acid Observatory (NAO) would halve the second risk. Then in the absence of any interventions, existential risk this decade from engineered pathogens is 1%. Only incentivising safe research would reduce existential risk by 0.5%. Only establishing an NAO would reduce existential risk by 0.5%. But incentivising safe research after establishing an NAO reduces existential risk by just 0.25%. More generally, the effectiveness of existential-risk-reducing interventions that fail a cost-benefit analysis test would be substantially undermined by all those interventions that pass a cost-benefit analysis test.
At the moment, the world is spending very little on preventing global catastrophes. The U.S. spent approximately $3 billion on biosecurity in 2019 (Watson et al. 2018), and (in spite of the wake-up call provided by COVID-19) funding for preventing future pandemics has not increased much since then. Much of this spending is ill-suited to combatting the most extreme biological threats. Spending on reducing GCR from AI is less than $100 million per year. So, there is a lot of low-hanging fruit for governments to pick: given the current lack of spending, moving to a CBA-driven catastrophe policy would significantly decrease existential risk. Governments could reduce existential risk further by moving to a strong longtermist policy, but this extra reduction would be comparatively small. The same goes for shifting funding away from nuclear risk and towards AI and pandemic risks while holding fixed the level of spending on catastrophe-prevention warranted by cost-benefit analysis. This shift would have just a small effect on existential risk, because the best interventions for reducing AI and pandemic risks would already have been funded by a CBA-driven policy.
And, as noted above, international cooperation would make even more catastrophe-preventing interventions cost-effective enough to pass a cost-benefit analysis test. Some of these extra interventions would also have non-trivial effects on existential risk. Consider climate change. Some climate interventions are too expensive to be in any nation’s self-interest to fund unilaterally, but are worth funding for a coalition of nations that agree to coordinate. Transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy sources is one example. Climate change is also an existential risk factor: a factor that increases existential risk. Besides posing a small risk of directly causing human extinction or the permanent collapse of civilization, climate change poses a significant indirect risk. It threatens to exacerbate international conflict and drive humanity to pursue risky technological solutions. Extreme climate change would also damage our resilience and make us more vulnerable to other catastrophes. So, in addition to its other benefits, mitigating climate change decreases existential risk. Since more climate interventions pass a cost-benefit analysis test if nations agree to coordinate, this kind of international cooperation would further shrink the gap between existential risk on a CBA-driven catastrophe policy versus a strong longtermist policy.
6. Pure longtermist goods and altruistic willingness to pay
There remains one potentially important difference between a CBA-driven catastrophe policy and a strong longtermist policy: a strong longtermist policy will provide significant funding for what we call pure longtermist goods. These we define as goods that do not much benefit the present generation but improve humanity’s long-term prospects. They include especially refuges: large, well-equipped structures akin to bunkers or shelters, designed to help occupants survive future catastrophes and later rebuild civilization. It might seem like a CBA-driven catastrophe policy would provide no funding for pure longtermist goods, because they are not particularly cost-effective for saving lives in the near-term. In the event of a serious catastrophe, refuges would save at most a small portion of the people alive today. But a strong longtermist policy would invest in refuges, because they would significantly reduce existential risk. Even a relatively small group of survivors could get humanity back on track, in which case an existential catastrophe – the permanent destruction of humanity’s long-term potential – will have been averted. Since a strong longtermist policy would provide funding for refuges, it might seem as if adopting a strong longtermist policy would reduce existential risk by significantly more than adopting a CBA-driven policy.
However, even this difference between a CBA-driven policy and a strong longtermist policy need not be so great. That is because cost-benefit analysis should incorporate (and is beginning to incorporate) citizens’ willingness to pay to uphold their moral commitments: what we will call their altruistic willingness to pay (AWTP). Posner and Sunstein (2017) offer arguments to this effect. They note that citizens have various moral commitments – concerning the natural world, non-human animals, citizens of other nations, future generations, etc. – and suffer welfare losses when these commitments are compromised (2017: 1829–30). They argue that the best way to measure these losses is by citizens’ willingness to pay to uphold their moral commitments, and that this willingness to pay should be included in cost-benefit calculations of proposed regulations (2017: 1830). Posner and Sunstein also note that there is regulatory and legal precedent for doing so (2017: sec. 3).
And here, we believe, is where longtermism should enter into government catastrophe policy. Longtermists should make the case for their view, and thereby increase citizens’ AWTP for pure longtermist goods like refuges. When citizens are willing to pay for these goods, governments should fund them.
Although the uptake of new moral movements is hard to predict (Sunstein 2020), we have reason to be optimistic about this kind of longtermist outreach. A recent survey suggests that many people have moral intuitions that might incline them towards a weak form of longtermism: respondents tended to judge that it’s good to create happy people (Caviola et al. 2022: 9). Another survey indicates that simply making the future salient has a marked effect on people’s views about human extinction. When prompted to consider long-term consequences, the proportion of people who judged human extinction to be uniquely bad relative to near-extinction rose from 23% to 50% (Schubert, Caviola, and Faber 2019: 3–4). And when respondents were asked to suppose that life in the future would be much better than life today, that number jumped to 77% (Schubert et al. 2019: 4). In the span of about six decades, environmentalism has grown from a fringe movement to a major moral priority of our time. Like longtermism, it has been motivated in large part by a concern for future generations. Longtermist arguments have already been compelling to many people, and these factors suggest that they could be compelling to many more.
Even a small AWTP for pure longtermist goods could have a significant effect on existential risk. If U.S. citizens are willing to contribute just $5 per year on average, then a CBA-driven policy that incorporates AWTP warrants spending up to $1.65 billion per year on pure longtermist goods: enough to build extensive refuges. Of course, even in a scenario in which every U.S. citizen hears the longtermist arguments, a CBA-driven policy will provide less funding for pure longtermist goods than a strong longtermist policy. But, as with catastrophe-preventing interventions, it seems likely that marginal existential-risk-reduction diminishes steeply as spending on pure longtermist goods increases: so steeply that moving to the level of spending on pure longtermist goods warranted by citizens’ AWTP would reduce existential risk by almost as much as moving to the level of spending warranted by a strong longtermist policy. This is especially so if multiple nations offer to fund pure longtermist goods in line with their citizens’ AWTP.
Here is a final point to consider. One might think that it is true only on the current margin and in public that longtermists should push governments to adopt a catastrophe policy guided by cost-benefit analysis and altruistic willingness to pay. Once all the interventions justified by CBA-plus-AWTP have been funded, longtermists should lobby for even more government spending on preventing catastrophes. And in the meantime, longtermists should in private advocate for governments to fund existential-risk-reducing interventions that go beyond CBA-plus-AWTP.
We disagree. Longtermists can try to increase government funding for catastrophe-prevention by making longtermist arguments and thereby increasing citizens’ AWTP, but they should not urge governments to depart from a CBA-plus-AWTP catastrophe policy. On the contrary, longtermists should as far as possible commit themselves to acting in accordance with a CBA-plus-AWTP policy in the political sphere. One reason why is simple: longtermists have moral reasons to respect the preferences of their fellow citizens.
To see another reason why, note first that longtermists working to improve government catastrophe policy could be a win-win. The present generation benefits because longtermists solve the collective action problem: they work to implement interventions that cost-effectively reduce everyone’s risk of dying in a catastrophe. Future generations benefit because these interventions also reduce existential risk. But as it stands the present generation may worry that longtermists would go too far. If granted imperfectly accountable power, longtermists might try to use the machinery of government to place burdens on the present generation for the sake of further benefits to future generations. These worries may lead to the marginalisation of longtermism, and thus an outcome that is worse for both present and future generations.
The best solution is compromise and commitment. A CBA-plus-AWTP policy – founded as it is on citizens’ preferences – is acceptable to a broad coalition of people. As a result, longtermists committing to act in accordance with a CBA-plus-AWTP policy makes possible an arrangement that is significantly better than the status quo, both by longtermist lights and by the lights of the present generation. It also gives rise to other benefits of cooperation. For example, it helps to avoid needless conflicts in which groups lobby for opposing policies, with some substantial portion of the resources that they spend cancelling each other out (see Ord 2015: 120–21, 135). With a CBA-plus-AWTP policy in place, those resources can instead be spent on interventions that are appealing to all sides.
There are many ways in which longtermists can increase and demonstrate their commitment to this kind of win-win compromise policy. They can speak in favour of it now, and act in accordance with it in the political sphere. They can also support efforts to embed a CBA-plus-AWTP criterion into government decision-making – through executive orders, regulatory statutes, and law – thereby ensuring that governments spend neither too much nor too little on benefits to future generations. Longtermists can also earn a reputation for cooperating well with others, by supporting interventions and institutions that are appealing to a broad range of people. In doing so, longtermists make possible a form of cooperation which is substantially beneficial to both the present generation and the long-term future.
7. Conclusion
Governments should be spending much more on averting threats from nuclear war, engineered pandemics, and AI. This conclusion follows from standard cost-benefit analysis. We need not assume longtermism, or even that future generations matter. In fact, even entirely self-interested Americans have reason to hope that the U.S. government adopts a catastrophe policy guided by cost-benefit analysis.
Longtermists should push for a similar goal: a government catastrophe policy guided by cost-benefit analysis and citizens’ altruistic willingness to pay. This policy is achievable and would be democratically acceptable. It would also reduce existential risk by almost as much as a strong longtermist policy. This is especially so if longtermists succeed in making the long-term future a major moral priority of our time and if citizens’ altruistic willingness to pay for benefits to the long-term future increases commensurately. Longtermists should commit to acting in accordance with a CBA-plus-AWTP policy in the political sphere. This commitment would help bring about a catastrophe policy that is much better than the status quo, for the present generation and long-term future alike.
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Thanks so much for writing this thought-provoking piece and for cross-posting it here to the forum for discussion. It is a long piece with lots of subtly different arguments that piece together in complex ways. Indeed, by the end of it, I'm not sure if I agree with the overall thrust or not. But there are many strands on which I do strongly agree or disagree and so I'll try to break them out into different comments here to make the discussion easier.
Overall:
Regarding your CBA:
I worry that your stated estimates, aren't really enough to secure adequate funding on traditional CBA grounds.
For example, it doesn't work in many countries. There are only a fifth as many people living in the UK, so only a fifth as many beneficiaries. Thus the benefits internalised by the UK are a fifth as high, so the cost-benefit ratio is only a fifth as good. Moreover, the UK is poorer, so people are less willing to pay to avoid risk and the VSLs used by the government are substantially lower (I think about a fifth your stated figure — £2M), such that the package you list would dramatically fail the CBA by a factor of 25 or so in the UK. Many other countries are poorer or smaller than the US in some combination and will have trouble meeting this cost-benefit bar on the estimates you gave.
Even in the US, your estimates for the cost-benefit calculation aren’t really enough to make it go through. It would be if all these interventions were inextricably bound up as a package, or if all funding on them had equal effect. But CBA cares about marginal cost effectiveness and presumably the package can be broken into chunks of differing ex-ante cost-effectiveness (e.g. by intervention type, or by tranches of funding in each intervention). Indeed you suggest this later in the piece. Since the average only just meets the bar, if there is much variation, the marginal work won’t meet the bar, so government funding would cap out at something less than this, perhaps substantially so.
Moreover, your analysis suggests the package only marginally meets the cost-benefit threshold and requires some educated guesswork to do so (the amounts it would lower existential risk). Such speculative estimates that drive a large funding choice are usually frowned on in CBA. So even if it is marginally worth funding if government attention and capacity were free, it wouldn’t be a high priority.
My guess is therefore that a national package of interventions by the US would need to be notably more modest than this one to get funded purely on traditional CBA grounds, and much more modest to get funded in the UK or elsewhere, widening the gap between what traditional CBA gets us and what the addition of longtermist considerations could achieve.
Yes, this is an important point. If we were to do a more detailed cost-benefit analysis of catastrophe-preventing interventions, we’d want to address it more comprehensively (especially since we also mention how different interventions can undermine each other elsewhere in the paper).
On the point about the average only just meeting the bar, though, I think it’s worth noting that our mainline calculation uses very conservative assumptions. In particular, we assume:
And we count only these interventions benefits in terms of GCR-reduction. We don’t count any of the benefits arising from these interventions reducing the risk of smaller catastrophes.
I think that, once you replace these conservative assumptions with more reasonable ones, it’s plausible that each intervention we propose would pass a CBA test.
I think that these points also help our conclusions apply to other countries, even though all other countries are either smaller than the US or employ a lower VSL. And even though reasonable assumptions will still imply that some GCR-reducing interventions are too expensive for some countries, it could be worthwhile for these countries to participate in a coalition that agrees to share the costs of the interventions.
I agree that speculative estimates are a major problem. Making these estimates less speculative – insofar as that can be done – seems to me like a high priority. In the meantime, I wonder if it would help to emphasise that a speculative-but-unbiased estimate of the risk is just as likely to be too low as to be too high.
Thanks Elliott,
I guess this shows that the case won't get through with the conservative rounding off that you applied here, so future developments of this CBA would want to go straight for the more precise approximations in order to secure a higher evaluation.
Re the possibility of international agreements, I agree that they can make it easier to meet various CBA thresholds, but I also note that they are notoriously hard to achieve, even when in the interests of both parties. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try, but if the CBA case relies on them then the claim that one doesn't need to go beyond it (or beyond CBA-plus-AWTP) becomes weaker.
That said, I think some of our residual disagreement may be to do with me still not quite understanding what your paper is claiming. One of my concerns is that I'm worried that CBA-plus-AWTP is a weak style of argument — especially with elected politicians. That is, arguing for new policies (or treaties) on grounds of CBA-plus-AWTP has some sway for fairly routine choices made by civil servants who need to apply government cost-effectiveness tests, but little sway with voters or politicians. Indeed, many people who would be benefited by such cost-effectiveness tests are either bored by — or actively repelled by — such a methodology. But if you are arguing that we should only campaign for policies that would pass such a test, then I'm more sympathetic. In that case, we could still make the case for them in terms that will resonate more broadly.
I've just seen your comment further down:
which answers my final paragraph in the parent comment, and suggests that we are not too far apart.
Yes, I think so!
And thanks again for making this point (and to weeatquince as well). I've written a new paragraph emphasising a more reasonable, less conservative estimate of benefit-cost ratios. I expect it'll probably go in the final draft, and I'll edit the post here to include it as well (just waiting on Carl's approval).
I think this is right (and I must admit that I don't know that much about the mechanics and success-rates of international agreements) but one cause for optimism here is Cass Sunstein's view about why the Montreal Protocol was such a success (see Chapter 2): cost-benefit analysis suggested that it would be in the US's interest to implement unilaterally and that the benefit-cost ratio would be even more favourable if other countries signed on as well. In that respect, the Montreal Protocol seems akin to prospective international agreements to share the cost of GCR-reducing interventions.
'Democratically unacceptable'
Like Richard, I was quite confused while reading the piece about the use of this term. I agree with him that if you are trying to get normative mileage out of this idea, then it doesn't work. In representative democracies like the US, we elect people to represent us in the highest levels of national decision-making. They are allowed to act in our narrow self-interest, but also in furtherance of our ideals. Indeed, they are aren’t constrained to leading from the back — to leading people to where they already want to go. They are also allowed to to lead from the front — to use good judgment to see things the public hadn’t yet seen, to show why it is an attractive course of action and to take it. Indeed, when we think of great Presidents or Prime Ministers it is often this quality that we most admire. So it seems entirely fine to me to appeal to people in government on moral grounds — including on longtermist grounds such as the effects on future generations. To say otherwise would involve some surprising judgments about other acts of moral leadership that are widely celebrated (such as in the ending of slavery).
I think the best version of this argument about democratic acceptability is not a moral or political philosophy argument (that it is wrong or unjust or undemocratic for governments to implement policies on these grounds) because there is little evidence it would be any of those things. Before a funding allocation reached those levels it would likely become politically unacceptable — i.e. it couldn’t practically be implemented and you would get less in the long run than if you asked for a more modest amount. I think there is broad agreement among longtermists that political feasibility is a key constraint, so the question is then about where it kicks in and what we can do to loosen the constraint by raising moral awareness.
At times it sounds like you agree with this, such as when you explicitly say "democratically unacceptable, by which we mean it could not be adopted and maintained by a democratic government", but at other times you seem to trade on the idea that there is something democratically tainted about political advocacy on behalf of the people of the future — this is something I strongly reject. I think the paper would be better if it were clearer on this. I think using the term 'democratically infeasible' would have been more apposite and would dispel the confusion.
(I should add that part of this is the question of whether you mean infeasible vs normatively problematic, and part of it is the question of whether you are critiquing use of longtermist considerations (over and above CBA considerations) vs whether you are critiquing attempts to impose the policies one would come up with on strong longtermism + ignoring feasibility. I'll address that more in another comment, but the short version is that I agree that imposing wildly unpopular policies on voters might be normatively problematic as well as infeasible, but think that comparison is a straw man.)
I reject that too. We don’t mean to suggest that there is anything democratically tainted about that kind of advocacy. Indeed, we say that longtermists should advocate on behalf of future generations, in order to increase the present generation’s altruistic willingness to pay for benefits to future generations.
What we think would be democratically unacceptable is governments implementing policies that go significantly beyond the present generation’s altruistic willingness to pay. Getting governments to adopt such policies is infeasible, but we chose ‘unacceptable’ because we also think there would be something normatively problematic about it.
So I think we are addressing your strawman here. Certainly, we don’t take ourselves to be arguing against anyone in particular in saying that there would be something wrong with governments placing heavy burdens on the present generation for the sake of small reductions in existential risk. But it seems worth saying in any case, because I think it helps ward off misunderstandings from people not so familiar with longtermism (and we're hoping to reach such people - especially policymakers - with this paper). For suppose that someone knows only of the following argument for longtermism: the expected future population is enormous, the lives of future people are good in expectation, and it is better if the future contains more good lives. Then that person might mistakenly think that the goal of longtermists in the political sphere must be something like a strong longtermist policy.
I'm not so sure about that. I agree with you that it would be normatively problematic in the paradigm case of a policy that imposed extreme costs on current society for very slight reduction in total existential risk — let's say, reducing incomes by 50% in order to lower risk by 1 part in 1 million.
But I don't know that it is true in general.
First, consider a policy that was inefficient but small — e.g. one that cost $10 million to the US govt, but reduced the number of statistical lives lost in the US by only 0.1, I don't think I'd say that this was democratically unacceptable. Policies like this are enacted all the time in safety contexts and are often inefficient and ill-thought-out, and I'm not generally in favour of them, but I don't find them to be undemocratic. I suppose one could argue that all US policy that doesn't pass a CBA is undemocratic (or democratically unacceptable), but that seems a stretch to me. So I wonder whether it is correct to count our intuitions on the extreme example as counting against all policies that are inefficient in traditional CBA terms or just against those that impose severe costs.
I wouldn't call a small policy like that 'democratically unacceptable' either. I guess the key thing is whether a policy goes significantly beyond citizens' willingness to pay not only by a large factor but also by a large absolute value. It seems likely to be the latter kinds of policies that couldn't be adopted and maintained by a democratic government, in which case it's those policies that qualify as democratically unacceptable on our definition.
Overshooting:
I disagree with this.
First, I think that many moral views are compelled to find the possibility that their generation permanently eradicates all humans from the world to be especially bad and worthy of much extra effort to avoid. As I detailed in Chapter 2 of the Precipice, this can be based on considerations about the past or about the future. While longtermism is often associated with the future-directed reasons, I favour a broader definition. If someone is deeply moved by the Burkean partnership of the generations over an unbroken chain stretching back 10,000 generations and thinks this gives additional reason not to be the generation who breaks it, then I’m inclined to say they are a longtermist too. But whether it counts or doesn’t, my arguments in Chapter 2 still imply that many moral views are already committed to a special badness of extinction (and often other existential risks). This means there is a wide set of views that go beyond traditional CBA and I can't see a good argument why they should all overshoot.
And what about for a longtermist view that is more typical of our community? Suppose we are committed to the idea that each person matters equally no matter when they would live. It doesn't follow from this that the best policy is one that demands vast sacrifices from the current generation, anymore than this follows from the widely held view that all people matter equally regardless of race or place of birth. One could still have places in ethics or political philosophy where there are limits placed on the sacrifices that can be demanded of you, and especially limits placed on the sacrifices you can force others to endure in order to produce a larger amount of benefits for others. Theories with such limits could still be impartial in time and could definitely qualify as longtermist.
One could also have things tempered by moral uncertainty or political beliefs about pluralism or non-coercion.
And that is before we get to the fact that longtermist policy drafters don't have to ignore the feasibility of their proposals — another clear way to stop before you overshoot.
I really don't think it is clear that there are any serious policy suggestions from longtermists that do overshoot here. e.g. in The Precipice (p. 186) my advice on budget is:
And this doesn't seem too different from your own advice ($400B spending by the US is 2% of a year's GDP).
A different take might be that I and others could be commended for not going too far, but that in doing so we are being inconsistent with our stated principles. That is an interesting angle, and one raised by Jim Holt in his very good NYT book review. But I ultimately don't think it works either: I can't see any strong arguments that longtermism lacks the theoretical resources to consistently avoid overshooting.
The argument we mean to refer to here is the one that we call the ‘best-known argument’ elsewhere: the one that says that the non-existence of future generations would be an overwhelming moral loss because the expected future population is enormous, the lives of future people are good in expectation, and it is better if the future contains more good lives. We think that this argument is liable to overshoot.
I agree that there are other compelling longtermist arguments that don’t overshoot. But my concern is that governments can’t use these arguments to guide their catastrophe policy. That’s because these arguments don’t give governments much guidance in deciding where to set the bar for funding catastrophe-preventing interventions. They don’t answer the question, ‘By how much does an intervention need to reduce risks per $1 billion of cost in order to be worth funding?’.
This seems like a good target to me, although note that $400b is our estimate for how much it would cost to fund our suite of interventions for a decade, rather than for a year.
Thanks for the clarifications!
Thanks, these comments are great! I'm planning to work through them later this week.
I agree with pretty much all of your bulletpoints. With regards to the last one, we didn't mean to suggest that arguing for greater concern about existential risks is undemocratic. Instead, we meant to suggest that (in the world as it is today) it would be undemocratic for governments to implement polices that place heavy burdens on the present generation for the sake of small reductions in existential risk.
The target of your comparisons:
At times it seems like you are comparing traditional CBA justifications for government work on existential risk vs longtermist justifications. At other times it seems like you are comparing the policy prescriptions and funding that would pass a traditional CBA vs the policy prescriptions and funding that would come out of strong longtermist reasoning (deliberately setting aside political feasibility). I have different views on each of these comparisons.
On the first, I think we should use both traditional CBA justifications as well as longtermist considerations and don’t think the piece really offers much argument against including the latter at all (for one thing, it doesn’t seem to recognise that they can actually be popular and motivating with the public and with policy makers in a way that CBA isn’t, widening the feasibility window).
On the second, I agree that we should generally not use strong longtermist justifications (though the piece usually frames itself as arguing against regular longtermist justifications). For one thing, I don't actually endorse strong longtermism anyway. I also agree that we shouldn’t set aside political feasibility in our policy recommendations. But it seems something of a straw man to suggest that the choice under discussion is to ignore effects on future generations or to consider all such effects on a total utilitarian basis and ignore the political feasibility. Are there any serious advocates of that position? The inadequacy of the second of these options doesn’t really help you conclude that we should deliberately restrict ourselves to the CBA option, as there are so many other options that were not considered.
I agree with this. What we’re arguing for is a criterion: governments should fund all those catastrophe-preventing interventions that clear the bar set by cost-benefit analysis and altruistic willingness to pay. One justification for funding these interventions is the justification provided by CBA itself, but it need not be the only one. If longtermist justifications help us get to the place where all the catastrophe-preventing interventions that clear the CBA-plus-AWTP bar are funded, then there’s a case for employing those justifications too.
We think that longtermists in the political sphere should (as far as they can) commit themselves to only pushing for policies that can be justified on CBA-plus-AWTP grounds (which need not entirely ignore effects on future generations). We think that, in the absence of such a commitment, the present generation may worry that longtermists would go too far. From the paper: