PauseAI largely seek to emulate existing social movements (like the climate justice movement) but essentially has a cargo cult approach to how social movements work. For a start, there is currently no scientific consensus around AI safety the way there is around climate change, so all actions trying to imitate the climate justice movement are extremely premature. Blockading an AI company's office talking about existential risk from artificial general intelligence won't convince any standby passenger, it will just make you look like a doomsayer caricature. It would be comparable to staging an Extinction Rebellion protest in the mid-19th-century.
Due to this, many in PauseAI are trying to do coalition politics bringing together all opponents of work on AI (neo-Luddites, SJ-oriented AI ethicists, environmentalists, intellectual property lobbyists). But the space of possible AI policies is highly dimensional, so any such coalition, done with little understanding of political strategy, will risk focusing on policies and AI systems that have little to do with existential risk (such as image generators), or that even might prove entirely counter-productive (by entrenching further centralization in the hands of the Big Four¹ and discouraging independent research by EA-aligned groups like EleutherAI).
¹: Microsoft/OpenAI, Amazon/Anthropic, Google/DeepMind, Facebook/Meta
None of the regulations you mention ("model registry, chip registry, mandatory red teaming, dangerous model capability evals, model weights security standards, etc.") matter without at least a conditional Pause when red lines are crossed (and arguably we've already crosses many previously stated red lines, with no consequences in terms of slowing down or pausing).
Hi Marcus, I'm in the mood for a bit of debate, so I'm going to take a stab at responding to all four of your points :)
LMK what you think!
1. This is an argument against a pause policy not the Pause org or a Pause movement. I think discerning funders need to see the differences. Especially if you have thinking on the margin.
2. "Pausing AI development for any meaningful amount of time is incredibly unlikely to occur." < I think anything other than AGI in less than 10 years is unlikely to occur, but that isn't a good argument to not work on Safety. Scale and neglectedness matter, as well as tractibility!
"they mainly seem to do a bunch of protesting where they do stuff like call Sam Altman and Dario Amodei evil."
- Can you show evidence of this please?
3. "Pause AI, the organization, does, frankly, juvenile stunts that make EA/AI safety advocates look less serious."
- Samesies - can you provide evidence please?
In fact, this whole point seems pretty unjustified. It seems you're basically arguing that advocacy doesn't work? Is that correct?
4. "Pause AI's premise ... only makes sense if you have extremely high AI extinction probabilities"
Can you justify this point please? I think it is interesting but it isn't really explained.
2/3. https://youtu.be/T-2IM9P6tOs?si=uDiJXEqq8UJ63Hy2 this video came up as the first search result when i searched "pause ai protest" on youtube. In it, the chant things like "open ai sucks! Anthropic sucks! Mistral sucks!" And "Demis Hassabis, reckless! Darío amodei reckless"
I agree that working on safety is a key moral priority. But working on safety looks a lot more like the things I linked to in #3. That's what doing work looks like.
This seems to be what a typical protest looks like. I've seen videos of others. I consider these to be juvenile and unserious and unlikely to build necessary bridged to accomplish outcomes. I'll let others form their opinions.
The provided source doesn't show PauseAI affiliated people calling Sam Altman and Dario Amodei evil.
Correct, I potentially misremembered. the actual things they definitely say, at least in this video are "open ai sucks! Anthropic sucks! Mistral sucks!" And "Demis Hassabis, reckless! Darío amodei reckless"
I would submit that I am at the very least directionally correct.
"Demis Hassabis, reckless!" honestly feels to me like a pretty tame protest chant. I did a Google search for "protest" and this was the first result. Signs are things like "one year of genocide funded by UT" which seems both substantially more extreme and less epistemically valid than calling Demis "reckless."
My sense from your other points is that you just don't actually want pause AI to accomplish their goals, so it's kind of over-determined for you, but if I wanted to tell a story about how a grassroots movement successfully got a international pause on AI, various people chanting that the current AI development process is reckless seems pretty fine to me?
Actually, I'm uncertain if pausing AI is a good idea and I wish the Pause AI people had a bit more uncertainty (on both their "p(doom)" and on whether pausing AI is a good policy) as well. I look at people who have 90%+ p(doom) as, at the very least, uncalibrated, the same way I look at the people who are dead certain that AI is going to go positively brilliant and that we should be racing ahead as fast as possible. It's as if both of them aren't doing any/enough reading of history. In the case of my tribe
I would submit that this kind of protesting, including/especially the example you posted makes your cause seem dumb/unnuanced/ridiculous to the onlookers who are indifferent/know little.
Last, I was just responding to the prompt "What are some criticisms of PauseAI?". It's not exactly the place for a "fair and balanced view" but also, I think it is far more important to critique your own side than the opposite side since you speak the same language as your own team so they will actually listen to you.
What is a reasonable p(doom|ASI) to have to not be concluding that pausing AI is a good idea? Or - what % chance of death are you personally willing to accept for a shot at immortality/utopia? Would it be the same if it was framed in terms of a game of Russian Roulette?
Fair enough! fwiw I would not have guessed that most pause AI supporters have a p(doom) of 90%+. My guess is that the crux between you is actually that they believe it's worth pushing for a policy even if you I think it's possible you will change your mind in the future. (But people should correct me if I'm wrong!)
Strong +1 on #3
I can try to answer 3 for Marcus. Imagine that AI policy is a soccer game for professional soccer players. You've put in a lot of practice, know the rules, and know how to work well with your teammates. You're scoring some goals.
Then someone from an interim/pick-up game league who is just learning to play soccer comes along and tried to be on the team, or -- in this case is not even aware of the team? If we let them on the team, not only do we look bad to the other team, but since policy is a team sport, they drive our overall impact down because it's kind of dead weight that we now have to try to guard against for things they do that they think are helpful but are not, depleting energy and resources better spent on getting goals.
I think in terms of this analogy, there are no midfielders, let alone strikers, on the pitch amongst the professionals. No one is even really trying to score goals. Maybe they are going for corners at best. Many are even colluding with the other team and their supporters to make money throwing the match.
That's just completely false. Sorry I can't say more.
The fact that you can't say more is part of the problem. There needs to be an open global discussion of an AGI Moratorium at the highest levels of policymaking, government, society and industry.