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This payout report covers the EA Infrastructure Fund’s grantmaking from June 16th 2023 to March 31st 2024 (9.5 months). It follows our previous June 2023 payout report.

  • Total funding recommended: $1,697,882
  • Total funding paid out[1]: $1,386,854
  • Number of grants paid out: 41
  • Acceptance rate (excluding desk rejections): 49/173 = 28.3%
  • Acceptance rate (including desk rejections): 18.4% (49/266)
  • Report authors: Linchuan Zhang (primary author), Caleb Parikh (interim fund chair), Harri Besceli, Tom Barnes
  • Funding breakdown[2]
    • EA Groups: $456,780 granted across 18 grants
    • EA-related Groups: $312,304 granted across 6 grants
    • EA Content: $78,216 granted across 3 grants
    • EA Services and Infrastructure: $179,957 granted across 6 grants
    • Effective Giving: $53,000 granted across 2 grants
    • Research: $216,535 granted across 6 grants
    • [Total]: $1,386,854

8 of our grantees, who received a total of $521, 206, requested that our public reports for their grants are anonymized (they’re written below). 1 grantee, who received $2,500, requested that we do not have a public report at all (You can read our policy on public reporting here). Our median response time over this period was 27 days, and our average response time was 42 days. For paid out grants, our median and average turnaround times are 57 and 61 days, respectively.

Highlighted Grants

Below we’ve highlighted some grants from this round that we thought were particularly interesting and that represent a relatively wide range of EAIF’s activities. We hope that these reports will help donors make more informed decisions about whether to donate to EAIF, as well as help the wider community understand our work.

 

Rethink Priorities Worldview Investigations Team ($168,000): Stipend to improve their Cross-Cause Cost-Effectiveness Model, including a portfolio builder to help individuals and foundations prioritize their philanthropic spending. [Grant type: Research]

Note: This grant, while approved, has not yet been paid out, pending due diligence. 

This project fits in well with the EA Infrastructure Fund's tentative reorientation towards Principles-Focused Effective Altruism

The fund managers were highly impressed by the ambitious scope of this endeavor. Despite the EA movement existing for over a decade, there were no other publicly available cross-cause models with comparable breadth and an EA-informed perspective. The gap suggests that creating such a comprehensive model is much more challenging than it might initially seem. The fund managers admired the team's intention to produce a practical tool that funders could realistically use, rather than (e.g.) purely theoretical work on cause prioritization.

However, some fund managers were concerned about the default values used in the Cross-Cause Model, which sometimes appeared insufficiently principled or overly conservative. Caleb Parikh, the primary investigator for this grant, provided more detailed thoughts in a comment.

Overall, while excited to grant this project presently, the fund managers believe continued excitement for renewing the grant or offering similar grants hinges on a few key conditions: 

  1. The methodology employed in Rethink Priorities' Cost-Effectiveness Model should be broadly reasonable, and easy for EAIF’s fund managers to endorse
  2. The project should demonstrate potential to genuinely influence decision-making among major funders. 
  3. We should broadly believe the team's proposed improvements to the model are likely to be useful.

Despite the high expected value, the fund managers acknowledge that real-world grantmaking decisions often involve holistic, contextual factors that may limit the direct impact of even thoughtfully-designed theoretical models. Consequently, they view funding this project as implicitly a low-likelihood, high-payoff bet that the models would end up directly influencing large grantmaking decisions.

 

Rethink Priorities: Survey of talent gaps ($9,000): Staff costs for a survey of talent needs in the effective altruism community. [Grant type: Research]

Rethink Priorities requested $9,000 to conduct a survey of EA organizations regarding their talent needs within the effective altruism community. The fund managers considered the Rethink Priorities survey team competent and likely to execute the project well. The fund managers believed this information could help capacity-building groups like university clubs and 80,000 Hours prioritize their outreach efforts more effectively. Notably, such groups had provided positive feedback on the proposed survey.

However, one downside risk was the concern that community builders, especially more junior ones like student group leaders, might place too much weight on the survey results without properly contextualizing them. This may lead them to (e.g.) focus too much on recruiting for specific talent needs highlighted by the survey, and neglect other important factors suited to their local communities and recruitment pipelines.

Ultimately, the fund managers assessed that the potential to provide clearly useful and actionable findings outweighed the risks, leading them to favor funding the survey proposal from Rethink Priorities.

 

Rethink Priorities’ 2023 EA Survey ($15,000): Staff costs to run and analyze a followup to the 2022 EA Survey and write a report on the results. [Grant type: Research]

Rethink Priorities' survey team planned to conduct two surveys assessing the "climate of EA" across EA organizations and the community at large, covering topics like post-FTX issues, trust in leadership, and harassment concerns.

The fund managers believed the findings could prove highly valuable for both individuals and organizations within the EA community. This was especially true if leadership organizations held systematically inaccurate assessments of broader community sentiments. When we made the grant, several specific organizations had already expressed interest in this information.

While the applicant originally requested $29,600, the fund managers deemed it fair to offer half that amount - $15,000. The decision captured the intuition that survey results constitute a diffuse public good, with benefits widely distributed across the community.

However, the fund managers hoped that partner organizations collaborating with Rethink Priorities would contribute the remaining funding needed. Their rationale was that entities with specific research questions stood to benefit more directly compared to the community at large.

(Note that Linch was also employed by Rethink Priorities when the above three grants were made. He was not in any way involved with the decision to make those grants). 

 

Astra Kamratowski ($7,716)Resources to produce 2 animated YouTube videos on common EA themes. [Grant type: EA Content]

We funded Astra Kamratowski to produce videos on EA themes. Many fund managers believe popular YouTube channels have strong potential for effectively communicating EA ideas. Further, they view video as a somewhat neglected medium currently, though less so than a few years ago.

At the time of evaluation, Astra's channel is very new, with only two existing videos of decent quality but lacking significant viewership. By supporting two additional videos, the fund aims to help Astra build more of a track record. This will allow better assessment of their videos' reception and potential for further funding.

Initial cost-effectiveness modeling left fund managers fairly pessimistic that Astra's videos would meet the quality and viewership thresholds necessary to be directly cost-effective. Consequently, this grant is valued primarily for its information value. It represents a bet on the possibility, while small, that the fund managers' pessimism ends up being incorrect and Astra's videos turn out unusually successful or impactful enough to merit scaling up production.

 

EA Netherlands ($23,000)Subsidies for an office space for the effective altruism/effective giving community in the Netherlands, for 12 months. [Grant type: EA Services and Infrastructure]

The grant covers approximately 40% of the costs for an office space in Amsterdam, which also functions as a community hub. The office has seen 735 visits from 75 external visitors and hosted 16 events. The fund's theory of change for supporting this project is twofold: firstly, that office access will boost the productivity of its users, and secondly, that connections formed at the office will prove to be highly impactful in the future.

Modeling based on valuing a worker-hour in the office at €50/h suggests the office will generate around €30,000 in impact.  The connections made at the office seemed valuable, but have not yet produced any impact stories that the fund managers consider to be "slam dunks". Another potentially impactful route for the office is through functioning as an event space. However, if that is the primary theory of change, it might be just as beneficial to subsidize event space rentals rather than office space, which is much cheaper. So the fund managers did not seriously analyze its value as an event space.
Further, survey results regarding the office were fairly positive, more so than might be expected for this reference class. 

Linch’s personal views:

(I provided some of my personal views on some of the highlighted grants, to help a) shed light on how some grantmakers think and b) personalize these grant reports to make them less dry and factual. This is an experiment; I hope it’s helpful to at least some people.)

I’m uncertain about EA Funds sponsoring projects like office spaces, from a procedural standpoint. Often, the individuals working in these spaces are already associated with organizations or projects funded by either EA Funds or other EA donors. An alternative , and possibly better, approach could be for funders to provide more money directly to the organizations, allowing them to make their own decisions about office costs. Having funders micromanage spending decisions of individual organizations, rather than evaluating them holistically based on impact or outputs relative to costs, may be problematic and inefficient.

On the other hand, it’s plausible that well-run coworking spaces generate community benefits and positive externalities that are not captured by individual organizations. For instance, collaborations formed in coworking spaces may lead to new organizations, and such spaces provide newcomers with an accessible way to observe how professional EAs work and interact, etc.

 

Anonymous (~$16,000): stipend for ~3 months for a medical doctor to pivot their career into founding a new impact-focused organization or joining an existing EA organization, likely in biosecurity. [Grant type: Individual Funding]

A medical doctor with extensive research experience is considering either founding a new impact-focused organization or joining an existing EA organization.

The fund managers believed the candidate is  likely quite competent and possesses a rare combination of experiences and skills within the EA community. However, due to the fund's own time constraints, they were unable to thoroughly vet some details regarding the grantee's theory of change and community connections. 

The grantee requested to remain anonymous. In accordance with our stated policy, the fund is willing to make anonymous grants if they would otherwise pass the rough cost-effectiveness bar. 

I, Linch, made the decision to include an anonymous grant on this list of highlighted grants in order to provide more transparency around anonymous grants for donors and other community members. The fund has previously received complaints that the decision-making process behind anonymous grants is more opaque than desirable, and we hope that writing more about anonymous grants can help shed more light on such decisions.

 

Effective Altruism Sweden ($9,218)Funding for a three-day EAGx-inspired annual conference for 100 people in the Swedish EA Community [Grant type: EA Groups]

We previously supported this national group for other projects before, and believe that their past track record has been pretty good.

The fund managers consider this grant to be highly cost-effective, with a cost of $92 per attendee, which is quite low for conferences (conferences can be quite expensive!). In particular, the cost per attendee, including food, is significantly cheaper than for EA Global.

Even when using conservative estimates that account for potentially reduced event quality and lower impact per attendee compared to EA Global, this grant still appears to be much more cost-effective than marginal donations to the Centre for Effective Altruism (CEA), which organizes EA Global.

Given that marginal donations to EAIF are likely not substantially more cost-effective than donations to CEA, this creates a fairly simple argument that supporting EA Sweden's conference should be a good bet for our marginal resources.

 

Richard Chappell ($6,050) : Subsidy for a one-course buyout of Fall 2024 teaching duties to improve EA ideas through public philosophy, ethics theory research, and EA community support. [Grant type: Research]
Note: This grant, while approved, has not yet been paid out, pending due diligence. 

Note: The legal recipient of this grant is the University of Miami, Richard’s workplace.

Richard Chappell (Forum) wanted a course buyout so he could spend more time working on EA-relevant projects including philosophy research, public philosophy such aspublishing on utilitarianism.net, and EA community support, for example, blog posts either simplifying philosophical research or analyzing relevant community issues. 

A fund manager highlighted several reasons for supporting this grant:

  1.  Richard's research seems quite strong. 
  2. The project aligns closely with the fund's vision of a "principles-first EA" community, we’d be excited for the EA community’s outputs to look more like Richard’s.
  3. The risks associated with this grant seem quite low
  4. Since it only covers a single course buyout, there is no obligation to provide further funding if the results are not substantial.

Linch’s personal views:

One concern I have is that the benefits of such work are likely to be highly diffuse and difficult to track, compared to (relatively) more tangible meta-EA efforts like recruitment or intervention research. This means that the fund managers may not be able to confidently assess the effectiveness of their decision, and it is also comparatively harder for donors and other community members to assess our track record. That said, this might just be an inherent cost of moving towards a "principles-first" approach, as concrete metrics that align well with final impact may be harder to obtain in this new paradigm compared to other EA domains.

Other Updates

  • (Tentative) New strategy to focus on “Principles-First EA”: We’re in the middle of a strategic revamp, where we want to focus our grantmaking efforts more on Principles-First EA. This means that we’ll be more inclined to make grants to research on cause prioritization, cause-neutral projects that build communities focused on impartial, scope sensitive and ambitious altruism, and epistemic infrastructure. Compared to previous years, we’ll be less inclined to make grants to cause-specific movement building or infrastructure.
  • Open Philanthropy and EAIF distancing: To increase funder diversity and independence, EAIF and Open Philanthropy implemented some distancing measures (such as Open Philanthropy employees stepping down from leadership positions). This means that EAIF will likely rely more on individual donors (maybe including you?)
  • Donations to date: We’ve received ~$1.2M in donations from individual donors since our last update on August 31st 2023. ~$1M of that was matched 2:1 by Open Philanthropy, for a total of $3.2M in the last 9 months. We currently have about $2.3M in reserves. Thank you to everybody who donated! 
  • Leaving Effective Ventures. Along with other organizations, we plan to leave our fiscal sponsor (Effective Ventures). We do not have a timeline for this, but will keep you posted. We do not expect the change to post significant inconveniences for either our donors or grantees.
  • Grants database: Though it was technically launched last year, we now have a grants database for all of the non-confidential grants we’ve given out. 
  • Update from Linch: I’ve joined EA Funds full-time as the second full-time employee, leaving my role as Senior Researcher at Rethink Priorities. I joined EA Funds because I think that now is a critical period to improve EA funding. 
    • Note that my primary role for EAIF is communications, rather than grantmaking.

Other writings

Below are some writings that are relevant to EA infrastructure work, including posts by EAIF fund managers, other EA infrastructure grantmakers outside of EAIF, or myself, which might be helpful to readers:

Appendix

Other grants

We’ve categorized all of our grants during the payout period by type. For ease of understanding, we attempted to make the grants categorization mutually exclusive. There are many cases where a grant spans multiple categories, and for these we’ve made a judgment call to decide on how to categorize it.

EA Groups: Funding for EA groups, communities and programs. 

EA Related Groups: Funding for EA related groups, communities and programs. These may or may not be ‘EA branded’, and have a particular focus such as an EA policy group, or a rationality group. 

EA Content: Funding for the creation of EA content for a public audience, including video content, podcasts and translation for example. 

EA Services and Infrastructure: Funding for services and infrastructure which enable and support people in having a greater impact, for example including office spaces, job boards and coaching.

Individual Funding: Funding that enables people to develop career capital or explore impactful opportunities. For example, funding for a period of career exploration or funding to attend a conference in a relevant area. 

Effective Giving: Funding for projects that aim to raise funds for effective charities. 

Research: Research related to effective altruism, including cause prioritization research and research about the effective altruism community itself, for example. 

GranteeAmountGrant PurposeAward DateGrant Type
Anonymous$233,000.00Funding for the recipient organization to support career advising and community building for UK civil servants.

June 2023

EA-related Groups
Anonymous$12,076.00A 6-month 0.25 FTE stipend for an Operations Associate and expenses to maintain and grow an EA-focused job/career board.

July 2023

EA Services and Infrastructure
Effective Altruism Norway$41,499.00Funding for Effective Altruism Norway to continue renting office space in Oslo for another 12 months. EA Norway uses this office for its own operations, career guidance and project incubation services.

July 2023

EA Services and Infrastructure
Kayla Brown$1,600.00Funding for the EA Raleigh group to maintain their website, facilitate meet-ups and pay for digital marketing campaigns. This will support their efforts to raise awareness about effective altruism through events.

July 2023

EA Groups
Anonymous$22,732.75A 6-month part-time stipend for an EA community builder in East Asia.

July 2023

EA Groups
Jennifer Chen$6,351.006 months of funding for Jennifer Chen to continue running weekly rationality/EA meetups in Waterloo, Ontario. Jennifer's goal is to foster a thriving community for members of the rationalist and EA communities.

July 2023

EA-related Groups
André Ferretti$5,494.51A 3-month part-time stipend to launch “Retrocaster”, a tool for enhancing forecasting skills, on Clearer Thinking.

July 2023

EA Services and Infrastructure
Anonymous$15,794.74Stipend for ~3 months for a career pivot: the recipient intends to found a new impact-focused organization or join an existing EA organization, likely in biosecurity.

July 2023

Individual Funding
Anonymous$14,910.00A 2-month part-time stipend for an EA community builder in East Asia.

July 2023

EA Groups
Simon Haberfellner$1,758.24Funding for Simon Haberfellner to promote effective altruism and effective giving, including by supporting his attendance at the European Forum Alpbach in Austria.

July 2023

EA Groups
Effective Altruism Sweden$66,000.00Operational funding for EA Sweden. The grant provides 12 months of rent for the EA Sweden office and co-working space, which serves the EA community in Sweden and the Nordic countries.

July 2023

EA Services and Infrastructure
Anonymous$79,132.97Funding for 1 year to run and scale an EA group in continental Europe.

August 2023

EA Groups
Effective Altruism Norway$60,000.00Funding for a project to produce educational materials intended to inspire young people to do good.

August 2023

EA Content
Luan Marques$2,500.00A stipend of $2500 for Luan Marques to finish Portuguese translations of Richard Chappell's online textbook on Utilitarianism, utilitarianism.net.

August 2023

EA Content
Melanie Brennan$5,657.14Funding for a 6-month stipend top-up for Melanie Brennan to continue to build the EA community in Barcelona.

August 2023

EA Groups
Newspeak House$31,887.76One year of funding to support Newspeak House as an EA community hub.

August 2023

EA Services and Infrastructure
Sandra Malagón$26,125.00Budget for six months to produce a virtual version of “Carreras con Impacto” (Spanish-language EA outreach and career advice).

August 2023

EA Groups
Alex Holness-Tofts$28,061.22A 6-month stipend for career exploration, focused on AI alignment research and field building.

September 2023

Individual Funding
EA Hungary$25,866.00A 6-month stipend for staff of EA Hungary and BudAI to support students to pursue high-impact careers.

September 2023

EA Groups
Anonymous$8,000.00Funding to produce an EA-aligned career guide for non-Americans to retain talent outside the US.

September 2023

EA Content
Luca Stocco$23,622.00A 12-month 0.5 FTE stipend to serve as EA Italy’s co-director, plus other expenses.

September 2023

EA Groups
Stefania Delprete$34,509.0012-month 0.5 FTE stipend to serve as EA Italy’s co-director, plus other expenses.

September 2023

EA Groups
Oliver Hayman$16,709.18Funding to run a small version of MLAB in Oxford for promising existing AI safety researchers who want to upskill in ML.

September 2023

EA-related Groups
Vynn Suren$281.89A 1-month stipend to support EA Malaysia with community building tasks.

September 2023

EA Groups
Anonymous$46,000.00A 3-month stipend to support an intensive learning period. The recipient intends to pivot to AI safety work and a career improving the long term future.

October 2023

Individual Funding
Czech Association for Effective Altruism$28,000.00A 1 year stipend (1 FTE total) to work on development, strategy, and programs for EA Czechia.

October 2023

EA Groups
Effective Altruism Australia$48,000.00A 1 year stipend for a Chief Information Officer at Effective Altruism Australia (0.75 FTE).

October 2023

Effective Altruism Australia 
Nastassja Quijano$15,100.00A 2-month grant of 2.5 FTE stipend, split across 5 people working for EA Philippines.

October 2023

EA Groups
Rethink Priorities$9,000.00Staff costs to cover a survey of talent needs in the effective altruism landscape.

October 2023

Research
EA Poland$5,000.00A 6-month marketing budget for a Polish effective fundraising platform.

November 2023

Effective Giving
Martin Rognlien$7,000.00A 6-month stipend to lead the city group EA Oslo for 8 hours a week.

November 2023

EA Groups
Anonymous$46,977.50A 3-month planning grant for a potential organization aimed at guiding people with defense-sector experience towards careers reducing x-risk.

December 2023

EA-related Groups
Effective Altruism for Jews (EAJ)$80,000.0012 months’ stipend for Effective Altruism for Jews’ Managing Director.

December 2023

EA Groups
Rethink Priorities$10,000.00Staff time to publish Rethink Priorities’ backlog of reports and improve research dissemination within ~3 months of receiving funds.

December 2023

Research
Robert Reason$8,485.23Stipend and expenses to conduct research at Rethink Wellbeing, Arb, and the Bristol AI Safety Centre.

December 2023

Research
Effective Altruism Sweden (Effektiv Altruism Sverige)$9,218.00Funding for a 3-day EAGx-inspired annual conference for the Swedish EA Community

January 2024

EA Groups
Astra Kamratowski$7,844.58Resources to produce 2 animated YouTube videos on common EA themes.

February 2024

EA Content
Effective Altruism Netherlands$23,115.38Subsidy for 12 months for an office space for the EA/effective giving community in the Netherlands.

February 2024

EA Services and Infrastructure
Effective Altruism Switzerland (legally Effective Altruism Geneva)$20,341.00Additional general expenses funding. 

March 2024

EA Groups
Effective Altruism Sweden (Effektiv Altruism Sverige)$8,608.00Funding for Nordic Group Organizers Retreat 2024 – an annual event for Nordic community organizers.

March 2024

EA Groups
Jennifer Chen$13,700.001 year of funding for weekly rationality meetups in Waterloo, Ontario.

March 2024

EA-related Groups
Melanie Brennan$31,389.73A part-time stipend to continue building and supporting the EA community in Barcelona in 2024.

March 2024

EA Groups
Ricard Soler$20,926.48A part-time stipend to continue building and supporting the EA community in Barcelona in 2024.

March 2024

EA Groups
Rethink Priorities$15,000.00Staff costs to run, analyze and report on a followup to the 2022 EA Survey in 2023.

March 2024

Research
     

 

  1. ^

    Exact numbers may be off, e.g. due to currency conversion changes or grantees partially returning grants. I'm collating more information and will try to keep these numbers updated

  2. ^

    See categorization in the appendix here.

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Any chance we'll see some evaluation of prior grants?

I think this should probably be in our next post, we are currently spending a large fraction of our time reflecting on what work has gone well/poorly in the past and trying to develop a more coherent strategy.

I was quite involved in the initial design and running of the most recent Open Phil GCR survey, which is a retrospective survey and informs a lot of my views on what works well in EA community building more broadly (though it’s not a drop-in replacement for publishing evaluations of our own grants).

One year of funding to support Newspeak House as an EA community hub

I was pretty surprised at this one. I live in London and am familiar with Newspeak, and I didn't get the impression at all that they were trying to be an EA Hub. They sometimes host events like EAG after parties or ACX meet ups but it doesn't seem like their main thing. And I see this grant was made almost a year ago. What are they supposed to have been doing, and am I missing something?

They have hosted 1-3 EA UK events a month and a few more adjacent events over the last few years.

The project aligns closely with the fund's vision of a "principles-first EA" community, we’d be excited for the EA community’s outputs to look more like Richard’s.

Is this saying that the move to principle's first EA as a strategic perspective for EAF goes with a belief that more EA work should be "principles first" & not cause specific? (so that more of the community's outputs look like Richard's)? I wouldn't have necessarily inferred that just from the fact that you're making this strategic shift (could be ore of a comp advantage / focus thing) so wanted to clarify.

Hi Arden, thanks for the comment

I think this was something that got lost-in-translation during the grant writeup process. In the grant evaluation doc this was written as:

I think [Richard's research] clearly fits into the kind of project that we want the EA community to be - [that output] feels pretty closely aligned to our “principles-first EA” vision

This a fairly fuzzy view, but my impression is Richard's outputs will align with the takes in this post both by "fighting for EA to thrive long term" (increasing the quality of discussion around EA in the public domain), and also by increasing the number of "thoughtful, sincere, selfless" individuals in the community (via his substack which has a decently sized readership), who may become more deeply involved in EA as a result. 

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On the broader question about "principles first" vs "cause specific" EA work:

  • I think EAIF will ceteris paribus fund more "principles-first" projects than cause specific meta projects compared to previously. 
  • However, I think this counterbalances other grantmaking changes which focus on cause-specific meta directly (e.g. OP GCR capacity building / GHW funding). 
  • I'd guess this nets out such that the fraction of funding towards "principles-first" EA decreases, rather than increases (due to OP's significantly larger assets).
  • As such, the decision to focus on "principles-first" is more of a comp advantage / focus for EAIF specifically, rather than a belief about what the community should do more broadly
    • (That said, on the margin I think a push in this direction is probably helpful / healthy for the community more broadly, but this is pretty lightly held and other fund managers might disagree)

Does anyone have a link to Astra Kamratowski's yt channel? I quick google/yt search didn't suffice, but I would love to check it out!

Thank you for your interest! Their channel is here (I will also link above)

Executive summary: The EA Infrastructure Fund granted $1.39M to 41 projects over 9.5 months, focusing on EA groups, research, services, and content to support the EA community.

Key points:

  1. Key grants included $168K to Rethink Priorities for a cross-cause cost-effectiveness model, $15K for an EA survey, and $7.7K for EA-themed YouTube videos.
  2. The fund is tentatively reorienting towards "Principles-Focused Effective Altruism", favoring cause prioritization research and cause-neutral community building.
  3. To increase funder diversity, Open Philanthropy employees stepped down from EAIF leadership positions.
  4. EAIF received $3.2M in donations and matching funds in the last 9 months, and currently has $2.3M in reserves.
  5. The fund plans to leave its fiscal sponsor Effective Ventures, and launched a public grants database.

 

 

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