FTX Poll Post - What do you think about the FTX crisis, given some time?

Hmm… part of me worries that this might be a bit too contentless/applause-lightly to provide useful information?

I would like a place to report concerns to anonymously, like the community health team but for misbehaviour/fraud/etc. 

I think EA institutional processes need to change to make things like the FTX crisis less likely in future

[Taking out "significantly", in case that's significant for the karma, idea stolen from OllieBase below]

I would like to see a red team focused on investigating funders reputationally assocaited with EA.

I think EA culture needs to change to make things like the FTX crisis less likely in future

[Taking out "significantly", in case that's significant for the karma]

I would like to hear their thoughts because I want to know they take it seriously. If they don't, I don't want to keep being a member of this community.

I want to hear their thoughts because I want to hear concrete changes to make this less likely in future.

To just the movement, not the ideals.

My friends are less receptive to EA since the crisis, but it seems like it's because of multiple scandals/storylines from recent months, rather than FTX itself.

My friends are less interested in the EA community since the crisis but equally interested in EA values and goals.

My friends are less receptive to EA since the crisis primarily due to FTX

A marginal defence of this being worth upvoting. 

I care about sober behaviour while managing billions of dollars that one intends to donate. I think it will turn out that SBF's decisions were bad ex ante, even if they hadn't been fraudulent and even if they hadn't been been risk neutral. I think it will turn out they were just bad trades. And I think that's pretty notable given the quantities of money we are resources with here. 

Again, i'm not saying that makes it okay, but I think this would have gone badly even with no fraud and I think that's bad.

Will MacAskill should resign from the board of EVF independently of the investigation by the UK charities commission (I don't expect the rules of the charity commission to line up very much with the rules of who I want to be an EA leader)

Possible examples:

1. You lost a lot of money, so you can’t go down a risky career path anymore.
2. You were about to found a charity funded by FTX.
3. You were about to do a degree funded by FTX.

[I feel like] the crisis has (at least) 2 sides for EA paths:

1. Before the crisis exploded, it changed people's behavior. Falsely believing that there was more money than there was made a difference. Like if I had known much sooner that FTX was basically in debt, (eg they hadn't covered it up) I would have started my own company, but I did not because I thought there was no need to E2G.

2. After the crisis exploded and we came to realize that there wasnt as much money. This one is isn't as relevant to me personally because I haven't ruled anything out yet.

But I agreevoted for #1. I guess I'd count the relevant critical behavior as having started before November, back when I was making other decisions, and I definitely messed up because of misinformed belief

Applying for grant funding, for example.

Possibly broader alternative wording: The existence of the FTX Future Fund caused me to take actions that were to my detriment in retrospect, AND that I would not have taken those actions had the FTXFF never existed, had I known FTX was a fraud, and/or had I known the FTXFF would collapse.

This is currently at 14 agree votes and the same question for Will MacAskill is at -13 disagree votes.

Would be curious if this is mainly because of Nick Beckstead having been the CEO and therefore carrying more responsibility, or are there other considerations?

To clarify, Nick Beckstead is not currently suspected of wrongdoing, as far as we know, is he? Last I heard, the UK charities commission was investigating the FTX Foundation in case they had something to do with the wrongdoing within FTX, but not related to any particular suspicion. (Please correct me if I'm wrong or they have announced anything new.)