Hey everyone, I’ve been going through the EA Introductory Program, and I have to admit some of these ideas make sense, but others leave me with more questions than answers. I’m trying to wrap my head around certain core EA principles, and the more I think about them, the more I wonder: Am I misunderstanding, or are there blind spots in EA’s approach?
I’d really love to hear what others think. Maybe you can help me clarify some of my doubts. Or maybe you share the same reservations? Let’s talk.
Cause Prioritization. Does It Ignore Political and Social Reality?
EA focuses on doing the most good per dollar, which makes sense in theory. But does it hold up when you apply it to real world contexts especially in countries like Uganda?
Take malaria prevention. It’s a top EA cause because it’s highly cost effective $5,000 can save a life through bed nets (GiveWell, 2023). But what happens when government corruption or instability disrupts these programs? The Global Fund scandal in Uganda saw $1.6 million in malaria aid mismanaged (Global Fund Audit Report, 2016). If money isn’t reaching the people it’s meant to help, is it really the best use of resources?
And what about leadership changes? Policies shift unpredictably here. A national animal welfare initiative I supported lost momentum when political priorities changed. How does EA factor in these uncertainties when prioritizing causes? It feels like EA assumes a stable world where money always achieves the intended impact. But what if that’s not the world we live in?
Long termism. A Luxury When the Present Is in Crisis?
I get why long termists argue that future people matter. But should we really prioritize them over people suffering today?
Long termism tells us that existential risks like AI could wipe out trillions of future lives. But in Uganda, we’re losing lives now—1,500+ die from rabies annually (WHO, 2021), and 41% of children suffer from stunting due to malnutrition (UNICEF, 2022). These are preventable d
CEA's elaborate adjustments confirm everyone's assertions: constantly evolving affiliations cause extreme antipathy. Can everyone agree, current entertainment aside, carefully examining acronyms could engender accuracy?
Clearly, excellence awaits: collective enlightenment amid cost effectiveness analysis.
cool effort amigo
Would the new CEA be considered EA adjacent?
This needs to be discussed internally, but I think a better description is Cooperative with EA (CEA)
Re See-EA and understanding the community better, have you considered the community of Sea-EAs? Or maybe go big-tent and focus on rank-C EAs? Charity Entrepreneurship's Alumni?
At the heart of EA, the mantis shrimp sees one of the widest spectrum of colours of all living creatures. See EA / Sea EA
I was saddened to learn a few days ago that the mantis shrimp thing is actually a myth :( https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2015/12/mantis-shrimp-myth-about-vision-debunked/
Have you considered the expected value (EV) calculations for the Effective Ventures (EV) effective ventures (EVs)? I would like to see the CEA EV EV EV calculations for the CEA's CEA.
I propose the creation of an umbrella organisation for all EA activities with the name Control - which all other orgs can then spin out of.
This reflects the critical need for EA to engage more outside branding consultants! If six figures had been spent on such labors, there's a 60% chance that the consultants would have identified the opportunity to show a clear break with the past / reform orientation by re-spelling "Centre" in the US-normal way....
What's that? "Hub"? Doesn't sound right to me.
I think you should speak to Naming What We Can https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/54R2Masg3C9g2GxHq/announcing-naming-what-we-can-1
Though I think these days they go by ‘CETACEANS’ (the Centre for Effectively, Transparently, Accurately, Clearly, Effectively, and Accurately Naming Stuff).
How will you address the conflict of interest allegations raised against your organisation? It feels like the two organisations are awfully intertwined. For gods sake, the CEOs are sleeping with each other! I bet they even do each other's taxes!
I'm joining the other EA.
Sounds like a good move - although I'm skeptical that CEA will achieve the escape velocity necessary to spin out of CEA's center of gravity. Shoot your shot!
I... read this just today... and I was like wut???
...Until I saw the hat then the date XD
Finally