Quick reflections from EAG NYC:
I think so much of the PR problem EA has just comes down to people hating EA for the same reason people hate philosophers:
I think the solution here is to just keep hammering in what EA has done, rather than engaging on what EA thinks. Most people's only knowledge of what EA has done is SBF, because that's all that gets talked about. Anecdotally, my friends' impressions of EA were most improved by learning that:
I've started a living literature review on the relationship between wealth and wellbeing.
Things I've done some work on that I plan to publish more on that seem relevant to some EA conversations in global health and wellbeing :
Some less relevant things I'll work on: what does the causal evidence say about social media and mental wellbeing? -- it's somewhat bad, probably. How happy were our ancestors? -- Either about as happy as we are or, or as happy as people are in Afghanistan -- Which is to say teetering on the cusp of having negative wellbeing on average. Not sure which yet. Is it the psychology, stupid? I'm also curious to understand the psychology of populism, and if a non-material lens gives us a better sense of how to predict and maybe prevent populist driven destablization to the institutions we'll need to preserve to have any chance at governing during these wacky next few decades.
Is anyone else worried about the conflicts of interest from the expected philanthropic money coming from Anthropic and OpenAI people?
I've been chatting to Vasco via email about this. I guess I'll import some of my critiques here.
I feel like Brian's right that consciousness has some fuzzy edges (maybe it's a combination of many hard-to-recognise-in-isolation subphenomena), but his actual takes on this and most other philosophical subjects seem to me to reduce to an equivocation between nihilism and extreme egoism - they always seem to boil down to 'what "I" (the author) "care" about' as some kind of acceptance test. In the case of consciousness, this seems like you could understand it in a couple of ways, neither of which seem very informative to the reader:
Brian subsequently wrote the essay My Confusions about the Hard Problem of Consciousness, which I think (though Vasco disagrees) basically contradicts this one.
Though to do that I need to digress into an extended caveat that any purported contradiction comes with the caveat that on interpretation two, Brian's words and all words are referentless. At the very least, if we abandon the notion of consciousness, I think we most likely lose our entire vocabulary of non-physically-descriptive nouns, including but not limited to
(not to say I would miss all of these) (also heads up so it doesn't catch Vasco off guard, I added a couple of key ones since our email discussion)
And I think Vasco is arguing for interpretation two. So if so I think there's no discussion to be had - we are both just flapping our meat. It might turn out somehow that one of us counterfactually changes their behaviour if in range of the others' meat-flapping, but we can't ascribe that to causality - since that's a non-physically-descriptive noun - and we certainly can't ascribe it to anything like semantic properties of the words.
So I have to proceed by assuming that the first interpretation was correct, or that I somehow misunderstand the nature of the absence of consciousness, which is a strange position to be in. Perhaps Vasco can help me understand a different way of 'thinking about' it, but I am sceptical.
On this first-and-a-halfth interpretation Brian has gone from defining consciousness as 'thing Brian cares about' to 'we need to know what other things have raw feelings'. If the first essay were correct, 'need' wouldn't mean much, and if it did, the answer would be 'whatever things Brian cares about'. So perhaps Brian is saying there he anticipates caring about future things and cares about that anticipation. But learning information about the world couldn't give him information about other consciousnesses, because that information would be entirely contained within the stochastic process of him caring about things or not.
In the latter essay, Brian writes:
Reductionism: The world ultimately reduces to physics—quarks, leptons, etc., or probably something else more fundamental. "Consciousness" is not one of those physical primitives. Thus, consciousness must be an emergent phenomenon—a process that involves many parts working together in various ways. But if consciousness is emergent, then it must have fuzzy boundaries just like any concept does. There's no "true essence" underlying an emergent phenomenon. It just is what its components are, and we decide the boundaries of labeling which emergent phenomena belong to which categories that we make up. Consciousness must be like this.
Which Vasco approves of. I think these claims are far too confident:
Ultimately I think that consciousness, despite being a philosophical black box and a neuroscientifically grey one, is too powerful a high level theory to abandon without a much more solid replacement. If you were to put me on a rack for long enough, I would recant the positions I'm arguing for here. But my prior explanation of why I would recant refers to a relatively simple, localisable statement that some -currently but not inevitably hard to specify - measurable quantity had gone negative, and that 'caused' my action.
I won't put words into Vasco's mouth, but I wonder whether he thinks there's a way of describing that process without using 'reference classes' that's simpler than '{full mathematical derivation that} that's the all the interacting fields and forces in that local area'.
I also want to ask Vasco how he can be confident that, even if it's true that he has no consciousness (and it does seem to be a contingent and disablable property in humans), that lack of a light would generalise to those of us who profess to have one.
Thanks for sharing this opportunity!
I found a few more EA-aligned animal welfare organizations that appear eligible based on Every.org's official criteria:
I think there's been a lot of goalpost shifting around weak and strong instrumental convergence arguments.
The original formulation of Instrumental convergence, by people arguing for AI doom, was that every sufficiently intelligent AI agent would become a fanatical meglomaniac that destroyed humanity in order to achieve inscrutable, alien goals.
Today, we have an ungodly number of fairly capable AI agents that are just being let loose, often unsupervised on the open internet. What percentage of these are wannabe meglomaniac world-conquerers? It looks like "almost zero" to me, although it's certainly concerning that it may not be exactly zero.
At what level of capability is this mythical hard left turn towards meglomania meant to suddenly show up simultaneously in all these AI's, which all seem to be doing wildly different things and acting in wildly different ways? Do you think AI doomers in 2015 would have predicted this to occur before or after AI starting cracking Millenium prize problems? It seems to me like the doomer version of IC is not only falsifiable, it's quickly being falsified in front of our very eyes.
As a welcome back gift, @Ollie Etherington reviewed my first claude-coded feature from months ago: multiple-choice polling. It only works in comments so far (though you can still put slider polls in posts.
To add a multiple choice poll to a comment or quick take, select some text, click the three dot menu in the pop up -> poll dropdown -> select multiple choice.
They look like this: