It was lovely chatting to you in Melbourne @Tristan Katz! Thanks for this write-up and sharing your thoughts with others:)
It was lovely chatting to you in Melbourne @Tristan Katz! Thanks for this write-up and sharing your thoughts with others:)
Hi Tristan, I'm on staff with Wild Animal Initiative and just wanted to say I really appreciate all of your thoughtfulness in considering where to give, as well as thank you for ultimately choosing WAI as one of the recipients. Totally agree that just "getting the ball rolling" is one of the biggest challenges right now, but we're really glad to see so much positive response from the scientific community so far.
One concern you raise is that strong “income ceilings” might reduce incentives to earn more, and thus lower counterfactual impact. This topic is very very important but I don't see much discussion on this here.
Also, have u thought whether there’s a risk of hitting a locally satisfying equilibrium that’s globally suboptimal in terms of impact?
Hey Arnold, thanks for the message. Hmm do I understand the question correctly as: if I'm optimising for impact, but wary of burnout, I want to donate as much as possible without lowering my standard of living to an unsustainable level? And you're saying what's personally satisfying might not be the best thing?
That's certainly true. I'm almost sure that I could do more. I suppose I'm just wary of trying to optimise too much, because I think it can be emotionally draining. To be honest I think that social factors can be really important for this though - I would be willing to try to optimise more if those around me were doing it more. But I'm not really sure if that responded to your question!
Thanks for sharing this. It is the first time for me to hear about this dynamic pledge.
You mention giving 10 percent once you earn the median income in your city, and 60 percent once you earn double the median. Have you also thought about what you would give between those two points, when you are earning more than the median but not yet double it? Would you keep giving 10 percent until you hit the higher threshold, or do you have a gradual plan in mind?
My intention would be to gradually increase. So in the past I was earning just slightly above the median, but gave 15%. In general I think it's good to have an idea of what income you're comfortable with, and then increase donations significantly as you pass that point. But I set the bar really high here just because I'm aware that my perception of what is enough might change in different life-stages.
To be honest I think my model is super crude and probably not ideal, I would really like to see other models like this!
Thanks for answering, makes sense.
@Philip Popien took the "Progressive Pledge", whereby he gradually increases his pledged percentage upon any salary increase.
Background: I've been donating since 2018, but I only signed the giving pledge last week. Thanks to @Amalie Farestvedt 🔸 from GWWC, Anthony Wong and others for helping me with the decision.
Most recently I've donated to:
Just last week I took the trial pledge, to give 1% of my income for 5 years, and to give 10% after that.
But I also pledged the following:
To
- always give at least 1% of my expenditure.
- give 10% of my net income once I earn the median income in my city
- give 60% of my net income once I earn double the median income in my city
This is, in essence, a dynamic pledge. Here are my reasons for this set up:
In short: I think that dynamic pledges are both less demanding for the pledger at a low income, and more morally correct at high incomes. I would be excited if GWWC made an official option for a pledge of this form, and would like to hear if other people have made similar kinds of pledges.
Just wanted to say here is at least one EA who agrees with "I don't think I'm just lucky to have what I have, I also think it's not rightfully mine, and I ought to try to correct those injustices by giving." In the EA GHD scene at least, I think similar sentiments aren't that rare, but perhaps you haven't met too many who think along those lines.
I love this sentiment and am happy to see it here on the forum. I will say though that (depending on our personality type) it can be unhelpful to dwell on this too much, or it can lead to guilt/paralysis which can stop us actually improve said injustice....
I work on a low salary and agree that can be a great way to go for periods of time. I do agree that 10% of a low salary can be tricky, but on the other hand 10% of a low salary ain't that much hahaha
Hey, totally agree that the sentiment isn't always helpful - it's one that motivates me, but it's definitely not what I say in my elevator pitch to encourage others to donate!