I'm the founder of Overcome, an EA-aligned mental health charity. Here are some counter-intuitive things I've learnt over the past 5 years. My target audience are those hoping to build or fund a highly cost-effective psychotherapy charity.
People with nothing more than a high-school diploma and a month long crash course can treat PTSD ~75% as well as a professional therapist. Same with depression, anxiety and most other mental illnesses. Multiple systematic reviews attest to this.
We give our volunteer coaches 3 weeks of training. Here's how their results compare against professional therapists in treating insomnia:
It's not just for insomnia. Here are our results across all conditions (n>300):
The case that a dollar goes farther when spent on someone poorer, because they have more important needs yet to be fulfilled, is a great heuristic. I don't think it applies cleanly to mental health.
Counter-intuitively, it can be more expensive to treat people in lower cost of living areas. We supported both native Kenyans (via the Shamiri Institute) vs EA charity founders (via Charity Entrepreneurship / AIM).
To summarise, in physical health the intervention provider usually does 90% of the work. In mental health, the client does 90% of the work. Unfortunately, these clients often lack the resources needed to execute on that work reliably. They're also less likely to refer you other people due to stigma, so it's harder to cost-effectively grow your service.
Key takeaways:
- Western demographics aren't strictly worse to treat than non-western demographics because results and referrals come easier.
- You ought attribute more of a therapy interventions results to the demographic they choose than how well the service is run
- Getting good results in lower-income countries is harder, so you ought judge their results more favorably. See Vida Plena & Kaya Guides.
It's dramatically easier to shrink your cost per user by 90% than it is to make your treatment reduce 10x more symptoms. Both have the same impact on cost-effectiveness. For this reason:
You must also consider:
Treating people cheaply is not that hard. At least for the first few years or so, there's good odds you'll be constrained by demand rather than supply even if your service is free. Marketing will thus consume a lot of your time, energy, and money unless you can get referrals. If you can treat most mental illnesses, the rate at which you get appropriate referrals is likely 3-5x higher.
The majority of the variance in therapy outcomes that charities can both control and explain (outside of choosing the right demographic) relates to the relationship between the counselor and the client. In our experience of selecting and training >150 counselors, personality plays a far larger role than skill / training. We’ve rejected people with PhDs in favor of those without degrees because the latter were more likable, empathetic, and intelligent
Glad to see more attention on this area!
A little spot-checking:
"People with nothing more than a high-school diploma and a month long crash course can treat PTSD ~75% as well as a professional therapist." The metastudy linked doesn't attempt to compare lay counselors with professional therapists; it's only about trained lay counselors.
Thank you for thinking critically about my work! You're right, it is not a direct comparison.
It shows an effect size of just over 0.6. The typical for most psychotherapies is 0.8. (see the Perplexity.ai summary below of the PTSD meta-analyses in the literature)
I did 0.6 / 0.8, which is 0.75. That equates to 75%.
As this is pretty approximate, especially given that it didn't directly compare the same groups against one and other. I included the ~ before 75% to show that it shouldn't be used as a precise figure. In hindsight, I regret not making this more explicit.
That being said, the near equivalency between laypersons and trained therapists is widely accepted. Every single EA mental health charity uses laypersons rather than professional therapists for this reason
One thing that is very confusing to me here: the experiment comparing entrepreneurs in charity entrepreneurship and random folk in in Kenya.
It seems pretty obvious to me that the value of treating a charity entrepreneur is at least a hundred or a thousand times greater than treating a random person. So I don't know why you would compare the two, given that if it works for the entrepreneurs at all, it'd be clearly higher impact. Assuming it works for the entrepreneurs, you're not going to get an effect a hundred or a thousand times greater for the Kenyans.
I'm going to assume you mean comparison not experiment as we did no experiment comparing the two demographics.
The comparison was to show how much easier it is to treat high-functioning western demographics than it is to treat lower-functioning LMIC demographics. One common misconception I run into a lot is that treating people in LMICs is easier because there's still "lower-hanging fruit" yet to be treated. I wanted to show some statistics illustrating that this was not the case by comparing two similar pilots with different demographics
The higher income, higher functioning demographic was easier to recruit, triage, maintain and got comparable results. I think this violates most funder's expectations.
Okay, that makes more sense then.
Hey John, this is very cool to read. I like the focus on what surprised you as a founder (and maybe newcomer?) in the mental health field.
I'm curious to hear more about the implementation details. Could you tell me more about the length, intensity, and duration of a typical treatment program? I saw 6 sessions in a graph which makes me think this is once-a-week program for 1-2 hour sessions over 1-2 months
Less sessions is a reliable way to reduce cost, but my understanding is there’s a U-shaped curve to cost-effectiveness here. 1 session doesn't have enough benefits but 100 sessions costs too much and doesn't add more benefit.
Also, are you targeting specific conditions? I see improvement in insomnia but that can arise from a sleep intervention or a general CBT course too
I am! Just under two years delivering psychotherapy interventions, ~5 years in mental health more generally
We offer a minimum of six weeks, with no arbitrary cap. It's once (or rarely twice) a week for ~1 hour at a time. I'd suggest that six weeks is the most cost-effective if you are limited by supply, but in practice it tends to be longer because often you have spare capacity.
That sounds about right.
Depends on the client. Mostly our counselling is bespoke, but we have some programmes for more specialised issues (e.g. chronic insomnia, addiction, phobia)