Consider whether you're comparatively advantaged to give to non-tax-deductible things.
(Not financial advice.) I think people -- especially donors who are giving >$100k/year -- often default to thinking that they should stick to tax-deductible giving, because they have an unusually high "501c3 multiplier" due to high marginal income tax rates or low cost basis for capital gains taxes. I claim this is a mistake for some donors, because what matters is whether your 501c3 multiplier is unusually high relative to the average dollar in the donor mix, which is usually coming from other people in very high tax brackets.
People who do have unusually high "501c3 multipliers" include those with employer matches to 501c3 donations. For a 1:1 match for cash donations, I think the multiplier is something like 3.5x, and even higher if you're donating appreciated assets like equity.[1] I would guess that you need to have a multiplier at least that good to actually be comparatively advantaged [ETA: because I think lots of the dollars from individual donors in the EA giving space come from people with 1:1 or better employer matches, like Google or Anthropic].[2]
The reason this matters is that if too many people think they're comparatively advantaged for tax-deductible giving, then non-tax-deductible opportunities (e.g. 501c4 advocacy, political giving, even future 501c3s awaiting their 501c3 determination) will unduly struggle to fundraise, so the best marginal opportunities are often going to be in that category.
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If your donation budget is $10,000 (of post-tax income) and you're, say, a single San Franciscan making $500k (and therefore paying a 42.53% marginal tax rate, per SmartAsset), I think this means you could donate ~$17,400 in cash (a 1.74x multiplier) and deduct that from your income, reducing your tax burden by $7,400 = $10,000 from your post-tax income. Then your 1:1 employer match means the charity gets double that, or $34,800 (a 3.48x multiplier). If you're donating assets that have appreciated, rather than cash, you also avoid paying taxes on those assets, which drives the multiplier up further.
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Some people don't have an employer match but are giving equities instead of cash, so you might think they'd have an unusually high 501c3 multiplier because their donations both mean they don't have to pay taxes from selling the assets and they can write off the deduction. By my math/in my understanding of how taxes work, it's pretty hard for this to get to 3.5x, because:
- I believe you can also give (some kinds of?) appreciated assets to 501c4s without the 501c4 paying tax on that, unless the 501c4 also engages in certain political activities. So the first half of the logic -- "they don't have to pay taxes from selling the assets" -- also applies to (some) non-tax-deductible donations, and you're left with the writeoff, which is just a ~1.74x multiplier.
- I believe that when you donate short-term-appreciated assets, you can only write off the cost basis, not the fair market value, and the long-term-appreciated tax rate is low enough (20% for the highest tax brackets) that I don't think it can get you to 3.5x. But I haven't totally crunched the numbers here.
I sometimes say, in a provocative/hyperbolic sense, that the concept of "neglectedness" has been a disaster for EA. I do think the concept is significantly over-used (ironically, it's not neglected!), and people should just look directly at the importance and tractability of a cause at current margins.
Maybe neglectedness useful as a heuristic for scanning thousands of potential cause areas. But ultimately, it's just a heuristic for tractability: how many resources are going towards something is evidence about whether additional resources are likely to be impactful at the margin, because more resources mean its more likely that the most cost-effective solutions have already been tried or implemented. But these resources are often deployed ineffectively, such that it's often easier to just directly assess the impact of resources at the margin than to do what the formal ITN framework suggests, which is to break this hard question into two hard ones: you have to assess something like the abstract overall solvability of a cause (namely, "percent of the problem solved for each percent increase in resources," as if this is likely to be a constant!) and the neglectedness of the cause.
That brings me to another problem: assessing neglectedness might sound easier than abstract tractability, but how do you weigh up the resources in question, especially if many of them are going to inefficient solutions? I think EAs have indeed found lots of surprisingly neglected (and important, and tractable) sub-areas within extremely crowded overall fields when they've gone looking. Open Phil has an entire program area for scientific research, on which the world spends >$2 trillion, and that program has supported Nobel Prize-winning work on computational design of proteins. US politics is a frequently cited example of a non-neglected cause area, and yet EAs have been able to start or fund work in polling and message-testing that has outcompeted incumbent orgs by looking for the highest-value work that wasn't already being done within that cause. And so on.
What I mean by "disaster for EA" (despite the wins/exceptions in the previous paragraph) is that I often encounter "but that's not neglected" as a reason not to do something, whether at a personal or organizational or movement-strategy level, and it seems again like a decent initial heuristic but easily overridden by taking a closer look. Sure, maybe other people are doing that thing, and fewer or zero people are doing your alternative. But can't you just look at the existing projects and ask whether you might be able to improve on their work, or whether there still seems to be low-hanging fruit that they're not taking, or whether you could be a force multiplier rather than just an input with diminishing returns? (Plus, the fact that a bunch of other people/orgs/etc are working on that thing is also some evidence, albeit noisy evidence, that the thing is tractable/important.) It seems like the neglectedness heuristic often leads to more confusion than clarity on decisions like these, and people should basically just use importance * tractability (call it "the IT framework") instead.
Upvoted and disagree-voted. I still think neglectedness is a strong heuristic. I cannot think of any good (in my evaluation) interventions that aren't neglected.
I wouldn't think about it that way because "scientific research" is so broad. That feels kind of like saying shrimp welfare isn't neglected because a lot of money goes to animal shelters, and those both fall under the "animals" umbrella.
If you're talking about polling on AI safety, that wasn't being done at all IIRC, so it was indeed highly neglected.
Fair enough on the "scientific research is super broad" point, but I think this also applies to other fields that I hear described as "not neglected" including US politics.
Not talking about AI safety polling, agree that was highly neglected. My understanding, reinforced by some people who have looked into the actually-practiced political strategies of modern campaigns, is that it's just a stunningly under-optimized field with a lot of low-hanging fruit, possibly because it's hard to decouple political strategy from other political beliefs (and selection effects where especially soldier-mindset people go into politics).
But neglectedness as a heuristic is very good precisely for narrowing down what you think the good opportunity is. Every neglected field is a subset of a non-neglected field. So pointing out that great grants have come in some subset of a non neglected field doesn't tell us anything.
To be specific, it's really important that EA identifies the area within that neglected field where resources aren't flowing, to minimize funging risk. Imagine that AI safety polling had not been neglected and that in fact there were tons of think tanks who planned to do AI safety polling and tons of funders who wanted to make that happen. Then even though it would be important and tractable, EA funding would not be counterfactually impactful, because those hypothetical factors would lead to AI safety polling happening with or without us. So ignoring neglectedness would lead to us having low impact.
Disagree-voted. I think there are issues with the Neglectedness heuristic, but I don’t think the N in ITN is fully captured by I and T.
For example, one possible rephrasing of ITN is: (certainly not covering all the ways in which it is used)
I think this is a great way to decompose some decision problems. For instance, it seems very useful for thinking about prioritizing research, because (3) helps you answer the important question "If I don’t solve P, will someone else?" (even if this is also affected by 2).
(edited. Originally, I put the question "If I don’t solve P, will someone else?" under 3., which was a bit sloppy)
What is gained by adding the third thing? If the answer to #2 is "yes," then why does it matter if the answer to #3 is "a lot," and likewise in the opposite case, where the answers are "no" and "very few"?Edit: actually yeah the "will someone else" point seems quite relevant.
I agree that a lot of EAs seem to make this mistake but I don't think the issue is with the neglectedness measure, ime people often incorrectly scope the area they are analysing and fail to notice that that specific area can be highly neglected whilst also being tractable and important even if the wider area it's part of is not very neglected.
For example, working on information security in USG is imo not very neglected but working on standards for datacentres that train frontier LMs is.
I love this take and I think you make a good point but on balance I still think we should keep neglectedness under "ITN". It's just a framework it ain't clean and perfect. You're right that an issue doesn't have to be neglected to be a potentially high impact a cause area. I like the way you put it here.
"Maybe neglectedness useful as a heuristic for scanning thousands of potential cause areas. But ultimately, it's just a heuristic for tractability'
That's good enough for me though.
I would also say that especially in global development, relative "importance" might become less "necessary" part of the framework as well. If we can spend small amounts of money solving relatively smallish issues cost effectively then why not?
You're examples are exceptions too, most of the big EA causes were highly neglected before EA got involved.
When explaining EA to people who haven't heard of it, neglectedness might be the part which makes the most intuitive sense, and what helps people click. When I explain the outsized impact EA has had on factory farming, or lead elimination, or AI Safety because "those issues didn't have so much attention before", I sometimes see a lightbulb moment.
Very much agree.
Also, some of the more neglected topics tend to be more intellectually interesting and especially appealing if you have a bit of a contrarian temperament. One can make the mistake of essentially going all out on neglectedness and mostly work on the most fringe and galaxy-brained topics imaginable.
I've been there myself: I think I probably spent too much time thinking about lab universes, descriptive population ethics, etc.
Perhaps it connects to a deeper "silver bullet worldview bias": I've been too attracted to worldviews according to which I can have lots of impact. Very understandable given how much meaning and self-worth I derive from how much good I believe I do.
The real world is rather messy and crowded, so elegant and neglected ideas for having impact can become incredibly appealing, promising both outsized impact and intellectual satisfaction.
I think this depends crucially on how, and to what object, you are applying the ITN framework:
On the whole, it seems to me that the further you move aware from abstract evaluations of broad cause areas, and more towards concrete interventions, the less it's necessary or appropriate to depend on broad heuristics and the more you can simply attempt to estimate expected impact directly.
I think the opposite might be true: when you apply it to broad areas, you're likely to mistake low neglectedness for a signal of low tractability, and you should just look at "are there good opportunities at current margins." When you start looking at individual solutions, it starts being quite relevant whether they have already been tried. (This point already made here.)
That's interesting, but seems to be addressing a somewhat separate claim to mine.
My claim was that that broad heuristics are more often necessary and appropriate when engaged in abstract evaluation of broad cause areas, where you can't directly assess how promising concrete opportunities/interventions are, and less so when you can directly assess concrete interventions.
If I understand your claims correctly they are that:
I generally agree that applying broad heuristics to broad cause areas is more likely to be misleading than when you can assess specific opportunities directly. Implicit in my claim is that where you don't have to rely on broad heuristics, but can assess specific opportunities directly, then this is preferable. I agree that considering whether a specific intervention has been tried before is useful and relevant information, but don't consider that an application of the Neglectedness/Crowdedness heuristic.
I have a post about this sitting in my drafts. I think I'll just delete it and tell people to read this quick take instead. Strong upvote.
I agree and made a similar claim previously. While I believe that many currently effective interventions are neglected, I worry that there are many potential interventions that could be highly effective but are overlooked because they are in cause areas not seen as neglected.
Hey Trevor, it’s been a while, I just read Kuhan’s quick take which referred to this quick take, great to see you’re still active!
This is very interesting, I’ve been evaluating a cause area I think is very important and potentially urgent—something like the broader class of interventions of which “the long reflection” and “coherent extrapolated volition” are examples, essentially how do we make sure the future is as good as possible conditional on aligned advanced AI.
Anyways, I found it much easier to combine tractability and neglectedness into what I called “marginal tractability,” meaning how easy is it to increase success of a given cause area by, say, 1% at the current margin.
I feel like trying to abstractly estimate tractability independent of neglectedness was very awkward, and not scalable; i.e. tractability can change quite unpredictably over time, so it isn’t really a constant factor, but something you need to keep reevaluating as conditions change over time.
Asking the tractability question “If we doubled the resources dedicated to solving this problem, what fraction of the problem would we expect to solve?” isn’t a bad trick, but in a cause area that is extremely neglected this is really hard to do because there are so few existing interventions, especially measurable ones. In this case investigating some of the best potential interventions is really helpful.
I think you’re right that the same applies when investigating specific interventions. Neglectedness is still a factor, but it’s not separable from tractability; marginal tractability is what matters, and that’s easiest to investigate by actually looking at the interventions to see how effective they are at the current margin.
I feel like there’s a huge amount of nuance here, and some of the above comments were good critiques…
But for now gotta continue on the research. The investigation is at about 30,000 words, need to finish, lightly edit, and write some shorter explainer versions, would love to get your feedback when it’s ready!