I'm posting this to tie in with the Forum's Draft Amnesty Week (March 11-17) plans, but it is also a question of more general interest. The last time this question was posted, it got some great responses.
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Draft Amnesty Week
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Thank you for clarifying, Vasco - and for the welcome. I think it's important to distinguish between active reasoned preferences versus instinctive responses. There are lots of things that humans and other animals do instinctively that they might also choose not to do if given an informed choice. A trivial example - I scratch bug bites instinctively, including sometimes in my sleep, even though my preference is not to scratch them. There's lots of other examples in the world from criminals who look directly at CCTV cameras with certain sounds to turtles who go towards man-made lights instead of the ocean - and I'm sure many examples better than these ones I am thinking of off the top of my head. But in short, I am very reluctant to draw inferences on preferences from instinctive behaviour. I don't think the two are always linked. I'm also not sure - if we could theoretically communicate such a question to them - what proportion of non-human animals are capable of the level of thinking to be able to consider whether they would want to continue living or not if given the option.
I agree with you that it is unclear whether the total sum of experiences on Earth is positive or negative; but I also don't necessarily believe that there is an equivalence or that positive experiences can be netted off against negative experiences so I'm not convinced that considering all beings experiences as a 'total' is the moral thing to do. If we do try and total them all together to get some kind of net positive or negative, how do you balance them out - how much happiness is someone's torture worth or netted off against in this scenario? It feels very dangerous to me to try to infer some sort of equivalency. I personally feel that only the individuals affected by the suffering can say under what circumstances they feel the suffering is worth it - particularly as different people can respond to and interpret the same stimuli differently.
Like you, I am certainly not inclined to start killing people off against their will (and 'against their will' is a qualifier which adds completely different dimensions to the scenario; killing individuals is also extremely different to a hypothetical button painlessly ending all life - if you end all life, there is noone to mourn or to be upset or to feel pain or indeed injustice about individuals no longer being alive, which obviously isn't the case if you are talking about solitary deaths). If we are in favour of euthanasia and assisted suicide though, that suggests there is an acceptance that death is preferable to at least some types of/levels of suffering. To go back to the original post, what I was defending is the need for there to be more active discussion of what the implications are of accepting that concept. I do fear that because many humans find it uncomfortable to talk about death and because we may personally prefer to be alive, it can be uncomfortable to think about and acknowledge the volume of suffering that exists. It's a reasonably frequent lament in the EA world that not enough people care about the suffering of non-human animals and there is criticism of people who are viewed to be effectively ignoring the plight of animals in the food industry because they'd rather not know about it or not think about it. I worry though that many in EA do the same thing with this kind of question. I think we write off too easily the hypothetical kill all painlessly button because there's an instinctive desire to live and those of us who are happy living would rather not think about how many beings might prefer nothingness to living if given a choice. I'm not saying I definitely would push such a button but I am saying that I think a lot of people who say they definitely wouldn't say it instinctively rather than because they've given adequate consideration to the scenario. Is it really so black and white as we definitely shouldn't press that hypothetical button - and if it is, what are the implications of that? We value positive experiences more than we disvalue suffering? We think some level of happiness can justify or balance out extreme suffering? What's the tipping point - if every being on Earth was being endlessly tortured, should we push the button? What about if every being on Earth bar one? What if it's 50/50?
I will readily admit I do not have a philosophy PhD, I have lots of further reading to do in this space and I am not ready myself to say definitively what my view is on the hypothetical button one way or the other, but I do personally view death or non-existence as a neutral state, I do view suffering as a negative to be avoided and I do think there's an asymmetry between suffering and happiness/positive wellbeing. With that in mind I really don't think that there is any level of human satisfaction that I would be comfortable saying 'this volume of human joy/positive wellbeing is worth/justifies the continuation of one human being subject to extreme torture'. If that's the case, can I really say it's the wrong thing to do to press the hypothetical painless end for all button in a world where we know there are beings experiencing extreme suffering?